Rick Santorum – My View
I got into a twitter debate yesterday with a big Santorum supporter. It is very difficult to share your feelings 140 characters at a time. I think many know that I don’t like Rick Santorum. Or I should say I don’t want him to the nominee, let alone be president. I only met the man once and that was at the Virginia Tea Party Convention when I was sitting at the bloggers table and got a chance to talk to him. I did not really take that chance since there were others with him at the time that I wanted to speak to more. He probably is a very nice man, he seems like he is. But we are not voting for prom king. We are voting for someone who has a great deal of influence on the direction of our country and with the ages of some of the justices on the supreme court they could have a legacy that will last decades.
Rick Santorum’s voting record speaks for itself. He has voted for expanding government time and time again. He said he took one for the team on No Child Left Behind. I am not naive, that happens in politics all the time. I don’t like it, but it does. The real problem that I have is that he later said he thought it would work. Why? No Child Left Behind was just one more big government, one-sized fits all overreach that never had a chance of helping our broken educational system. Dismantling the board of ed should have been the focus, not increasing it. No one that voted for that boondoggle ever bothered to consider very rural school districts in such places as Alaska. They don’t have another school down the street to go if their local one fails. Are we supposed to bus children 100 miles a day to the next closet school? Ridiculous. NCLB was, and continues to be, unconstitutional. So please don’t tell me that he votes based on the constitution, clearly he doesn’t.
I have had conversations with a few other bloggers about him. Some are willing to admit that he has a big government record. One of the bloggers here, Fuzzi, and Pete over at the DaTech Guy have said as much. I admire that they are not denying it. DaTech Guy and I had a back and forth over it at CPAC. His take is this, that Santorum realized that is part of the reason he lost his re-election bid, realizes he made a mistake, and learned his lessons. OK. That is great if you believe that. I just am not buying it.
Lets move onto one of his debate performances. Many of which were displays of defensiveness and whiny behavior. I was told by his supporters that was due to him being ignored in many of them. True enough, but that didn’t seem to change once he was being taken more seriously. Romney was hitting him on his support for the unions. I actually loved his answer. He said that his state was a pro union state and he was representing the people who sent him there. While I think that those people are wrong, he was doing his job. Then he had to keep on going. This is where he lost me. He then went on to say as president he would have a different role. He would support national right to work laws. Really? Where in the constitution does it say that is a federal issue? No where. He would have an even lesser role as president than as a senator. While I would love to see all 50 states have right to work laws, it isn’t the place of the federal government to make it so. Those are decisions that should be left to the states. If you don’t like living in a state that isn’t right to work, move. That is how the framers set things up, we get to make decisions with our feet. If we don’t like the government in one particular state we can move to another. I am huge supporter and defender of the 10th amendment. I don’t see that he is.
His passion on social issues is commendable. He is very much in love with this wife and that shows. I like that. That shows stability to me. There is no doubt that the media is especially focusing on his social views. He has complained that the media keeps bringing things back to his social views. I am not buying that either. In a speech that he was giving he brought up Obamacare’s mandates in regards to prenatal testing; specifically having amnino’s being covered. First and foremost, I don’t think there is a rash of women unable to get the test if it is deemed medically necessary. So why the mandate is necessary I don’t fully understand. There are some that say the reason is a push for abortions on babies that are found to have Down’s. The media didn’t bring up this topic; he did. It was done for one reason and one reason only, to bring the topic back to abortion. Obamacare is nothing but 2K plus pages of mandates. We all know that, even the people who are for it know that. I will admit that abortion is not a push button issue for me as it is for some. I personally believe making it illegal won’t solve the problem. Of course it will cut down on the numbers, but it won’t change hearts and minds. Only promoting a culture of life will do that. Demonizing women who make the choice to end their pregnancies is not the way to go about it. Many on the pro-life side seem to disagree with me and say and do things that to me, are a demonization. (Such as holding up signs of bloody babies) You can disagree, but that is my view. But back to the amnio. There are studies done of the abortion rates of babies with Down’s are very small, but most importantly are very localized. There is a doctor who moved from one region of the country to another. Her original practice had very high rates of these babies being aborted. When she moved to another location in the country (Pittsburg) the rates went down dramatically. There is a great deal of evidence that one of the factors in the decision in ending the pregnancy has to do with the support systems and the resources that are available to the families in their local communities. Apparently in the Pittsburg area there is a higher population of Catholics and more resources for special needs children and adults. Limiting access to the test will do nothing to stop those numbers. When asked about this test again he said something like well of course they can have them. Well, gee thanks Rick. But I don’t think you get make my medical decisions for me or for anyone else. Isn’t that what we are fighting for about Obamacare? Yeah, if it were up to him that test would be done away with, and that scares me. That scares me as a woman and as a special needs mom. That test gave me time to prepare for what I was going to be facing and more importantly what my little man faces. I was able to look into therapy and educational options. But even more importantly if that test is not widely available it will actually increase the amount of abortions not decrease them. The blood work that is done as a normal course of pregnancy has a very high rate of false positive results; almost 50%. If a woman is pre-disposed to ending that pregnancy she may well be ending the life a perfectly healthy baby due to some spike in blood work that nothing to do with the health of the baby. I know someone who went through a week of hell after having a blood test coming back with a positive result. Her son is perfectly healthy. More information is a good thing, not a bad one. There are also life saving surgeries performed on babies in utero as result of finding about health issues after this test. Yes, there is bad with it, but there is also good. The issue of mandating the coverage of the test is a completely different issue. You want to decrease the amount of abortions performed on special needs children, then work in local areas to increase the amount of services available to the families. You also need to lift the stigma that goes along with these babies. People are afraid. Not just of the costs, but of what is going to happen to that child after they are gone. It is frightening as a parent to think about not being able to protect your child and not knowing if there will be someone to care for them when you are gone. Parents also wonder how will affect their other children. The issues that run through your mind when you are told this are numerous and overwhelming. Help parents deal with those issues. People need to see for themselves what joy a special needs child brings into their lives as well as the lives of their families. That test does more than just cause abortions. As a parent to two special needs children, one of which did get surgery in utero he should be well aware of it.
Another statement of his that I find frightening:
“We say to Mom that you tell us the wrong name, and we’ll bring that guy in and we’ll do a blood test and that’s not Dad, you lose your welfare benefits,” he said at another event that same day in New Bloomfield. “You lose your welfare benefits … Not till you tell us another name, but till we find out who Dad is, we establish it.
This is a quote from an article on lefty website in an attempt to smear him. So, I went and found three other sources that have it quoted the exact same way and done at the time that he said it. What exactly is conservative about forcing people to give blood to the federal government? Sorry, no way, no how. I believe in welfare reform. I think that welfare has hurt families. It has institutionalized poverty for many in this country. Does he think that forcing men to give blood to the federal government is going to stop that? You want to know why so many young girls from welfare families have babies at such a young age? They don’t see another way out. Welfare is a system that is set up to fail and to keep you living that way. It isn’t designed to help you get out. The original purpose was to be a safety net until people could get back on their feet and it has failed miserably. You want to help people get off welfare then one of things we need to do is prorate the benefits so they can get a better paying job without losing everything. I went on a tour of the Capital with Congressman Gohmert of Texas several months back. He used to be a judge. He told us that one of the reasons he decided to run for congress was because of all the welfare fraud he saw. Young women who didn’t see any other way other than to commit fraud to get more money. You can live on welfare. You have what you need when it comes to the basics. You can even afford some of the little extras, but not very many. But you won’t be able to do is save enough money to get yourself off. Of course there are exceptions, but generally speaking welfare will keep you in the same place that you started in. We need to give these families, especially young women, other alternatives; such as a better education and the belief that they can go to college and start a career that will lift their families out of poverty. All this statement does is make them feel that are being demonized. Demonizing people will rarely bring about the desired result you are seeking. I do agree that if you bring a child into the world you should be responsible for it. I do agree that fathers need to step up and help raise their child both financially and emotionally, but to require blood work is way over the line. Just think about what else that dna info could be used for. Sorry, I pass. This is big government run amok.
I could go on, but I am out of time. Bottom line is this, yeah I think he believes in right-wing social engineering. (Yeah, Fuzzi, I know you hate this term) but I do. I firmly believe that he thinks that the federal government has a role in raising families, deciding morality, and making decisions that are to me, none of their darn business.
Convince me I am wrong. And if you decide to use the really ineffective tactic of calling me names, your post will be deleted. I am not brainwashed, stupid, or unable to see the truth. I have my own set of values, and by the way, I didn’t get them from the federal government nor would I want to. It isn’t their role.
Teresa Rice 3:31 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
“When asked about this test again he said something like well of course they can have them. Well, gee thanks Rick. But I don’t think you get make my medical decisions for me or for anyone else. Isn’t that what we are fighting for about Obamacare? Yeah, if it were up to him that test would be done away with, and that scares me. ” Untrue. You are drawing conclusions without any basis of proof to back up your claims. He stated that Americans should not be forced to subsidize amniocentesis under Obamacare, not that parents don’t have a right to have this done.
What is so wrong with a president vying for Right To Work Laws? Since you stated “laws” that would indicate that he could be advocating for them to be instituted at the state level, not the federal level.
He supported No Child Left Behind in an effort to try and improve our educational system. He thought this may be beneficial to the school kids and work? So, what? He supported a national standard to test students abilities. How is this unconstitutional? He was working with what Jimmy Carter left us, the destruction of our public school system. Santorum admitted that he made a mistake. This is one of his great qualities I like about him. He is willing to admit when he has made a mistake. He believes that decision related to education should be returned to the states and local communities.
He is a proponent of welfare reform. Personally, I think you are purposefully not looking at his statements in a charitable manner and espousing false, negative conclusions to certain statements that he’s said. Taking it out of context. It is unclear whether he is advocating this or not. In essence, you are putting words in his mouth that he didn’t say. I believe when he says “we” he is referring to government at the present, not what he would do. I need to see the whole speech to know the whole context though.
“You want to help people get off welfare then one of things we need to do is prorate the benefits so they can get a better paying job without losing everything.” I am in full agreement.
Does he believe the government has a role in promoting morality but not forcing morality requirements upon the people? Probably. As he should. Our Founders believed in the promotion of morality and the belief in God so he is just following in their path.
If you think that Newt didn’t vote to expand government control over our lives, or in favor of big government programs, you are kidding yourself. He has a much worse track record of supporting big government policies than Rick Santorum.
just a conservative girl 4:03 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
Teresa, you and I went back and forth about this before. Why bring up that test? Obamacare is all about mandates. He brought up this specific test for reason. Why pull out this mandate as compared to all the other mandates? I will see if I can find a link, but he was asked about this mandate the day of or day after his appearance on Face the Nation. He doesn’t like this test. Fine that is his right. But why bring it up at all. It is a medically necessary procedure in some cases. Politicians use words very carefully, bring up topics very carefully. He did it for a reason. He is not a doctor, he shouldn’t be advocating against this test and yes that is what I heard. If I heard that, so did millions of other women.
NCLB had been a huge failure. It has increased costs by close to 70% in some states has had little effect in bringing about improvement. The federal government has no role in education, none. This is a state issue. As is right to work laws. The tenth amendment is very important to me. Much more than to him. As president he has no role in those laws, none. Not his business and not his purview. If he wants to work on right to work laws, then run for governor or state legislator.
I think they all suck. Every last one of them. I voted Ron Paul last week. So this has nothing to do with Newt. This has to do with him.
Teresa Rice 5:35 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
Rick Santorum has a correct view of the tenth amendment. Ron Paul has a distorted view of the tenth amendment. He philosophies are too close to being aligned with antiamericanism so I could not support him. While education is done best at the local level the constitution does not forbid the federal government in having some role in education. Yes, NCLB has been a failure but no one finds out whether something is going to be a failure or not if they don’t try something. Bush tried to help the education system. Santorum has admitted that NCLB is a failure and advocated for the control of educational programs to lie with in local communities. Are you saying that no president should be able to advocate for anything? Even when working with governors to accomplish something beneficial for the American people? So, there just supposed to lock there beliefs away in a closet? Education is a national issue since there is a department of education at the federal level. Until there is no dept. of Ed Could it be that both Rick and his wife have researched the topic of amniocentesis and its relation to the number of abortions which may occur as a result of this procedure? They do have a special needs child ya know. Could they not be just as passionate as you on this subject? He didn’t deny that you and other women have a right to get the procedure done if you so choose. So, what’s the big deal? Didn’t you say that you went to Newt headquarters and made phone calls? That’s why I thought you supported Newt. Rick Santorum is the best choice out of all the candidates. He is a moral, consistent conservative.
Teresa Rice 7:10 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
I was using that whacky new reply box so I missed seeing that I didn’t finish this sentence on education” Until there is no dept. of Ed then education is a federal issue. You may not want the federal government to have a role and neither do I or at least as minimally as possible but the fact remains when Carter instituted the Dept. of Ed he made it a federal issue. Education does need to return to the states.
just a conservative girl 7:53 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
And voting for no child left behind made that harder. That is exactly my point. It increased the size and scope of that department. We all have out push button issues. Education is one of mine. I have spent a great deal of time working with the inner city kids in the DC area trying to get them into better schools with the voucher program, I see the difference it makes in real people’s lives when they get into a better school then the failed ones that they are stuck in all too often. Anything that increases the federal footprint on education to me is evil. So his vote supporting this is something that I just can’t overlook. I truly get the taking one for the team. What bothered me was his comment afterwards that he thought it would work. Makes my skin crawl that he said that.
Don 7:54 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
In the event that Santorum is the nominee, I am more concerned with the fact that I do not think he is strong enough, or possessed of the ability to quickly think on his feet to sufficiently beat Obama in the debates.
Don’t get me wrong, Rick Santorum is a good man and I don’t think of him as a RINO. I just think of him as a social Conservative that has some big government tendencies. A good Tea Party coalition in the House and Senate could keep him on track – a whole hell of a lot easier than it could if Obama gets another term.
All of this is why I support Newt. His knowledge of history dwarfs Obama’s, his debating skills are on a higher level than Obama’s are and, say what you will about some of the stances he has explored as a private citizen, he has done more for the Conservative cause than all of the other candidates put together.
Great post, juist!
Don 7:56 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
My apologies for spelling your name wrong in the my above comments.
*just
Teresa Rice 8:10 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
One last thing – Santorum supported and still supports school vouchers/school choice. Look here http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Senate/Pennsylvania/Rick_Santorum/Views/Education/
Yes, he has a mixed record on education but I just see some blind hatred of the man coming from you all over one issue. An area where he agrees with you more than you disagree with him.
just a conservative girl 8:39 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
It isn’t one issue. It is a pattern of behavior that I see. Those are just the issues that I pulled out. I have others as well. I could have made that post twice as long as I did, but I can’t stand long posts. As president he will have no say over school choice with the exception of DC. So his support of it doesn’t matter. Vouchers can only be done on the state level. As it should be.
Teresa Rice 8:52 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
Yeah, but Santorum supported vouchers so he supports your position on that educational issue. You specifically talked about vouchers in your 7:53 comment so I pointed out that Santorum also has supported and still supports school vouchers. You stated “We all have out push button issues. Education is one of mine” but you and he don’t disagree on the majority of educational issues. It just seems that since he has announced his candidacy that you have used one excuse after another in order so that you could withhold support for him. Plus, you keep on changing your story as to why your not supporting Santorum. I feel sorry for you, that you don’t support Santorum for quite a few reasons.
just a conservative girl 8:57 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
Feel sorry for me? Wow. One of the reasons that I don’t like Santorum is that is he comes across as holier than thou. So do many of his supporters. You don’t get to decide for me what my morality is, and you just tried to do just that.
Teresa Rice 9:02 PM on 03/10/2012 Permalink |
I figured as much, that you have a problem with morality or the promotion thereof. You obviously can’t handle me pointing out your own words. I did not try to dictate your morality to you. So, your acting like a liberal with false accusations because I pointed out your own words. This was on education, not morality but maybe you aren’t able to decipher the difference. Oh boy…… Praying for you.
just a conservative girl 8:02 AM on 03/11/2012 Permalink |
His support of vouchers is meaningless as president. The president has no role in school choice, it is a state issue. The only thing that president will have a role in the depart of ed; something that he voted to increase the size and scope of. The increase of that department makes it much less likely that states will push for vouchers with more federal money pouring in.
I don’t have a “problem” with morality. Whatever that means. I have a problem with the federal government trying to dictate what morality is. You cannot legislate morality, you just can’t. Do you believe that people on the left believe that they are immoral? They don’t. There are some who truly believe that they have a moral obligation to save the planet. They then push that “moral” belief on everyone else. It is no more attractive or welcoming when the right tries to push their morality on everyone else.
Morality is something that comes from within, based upon your own experiences and worldview. Not what the government says it should be.
Teresa Rice 9:10 AM on 03/11/2012 Permalink |
Rick Santorum does not try and impose his views on others. He advocates for certain moral actions. He does not force any person to follow his views (except his kids and that’s part of a parent’s job). He is outspoken on the issue of abortion and believes no person has a right to murder an innocent human being. The Roe v. Wade case was a travesty, a misrepresentation of private property or privacy, and the Left used ” Jane Roe” to advance their cause. That case made abortion a federal issue just like the states enacting legislation for gay “marriage” is going to eventually become a federal issue when that case lands on the Supreme Court. He is very religious but he doesn’t force anyone to follow his Catholic beliefs. If by “right wing social engineering” you mean he would reverse a Hitleresque law which says another human is not worthy of living or fighting to keep progressives from perverting the definition of marriage, maybe your right. But he and others like myself are not the ones who made this a fight by trying to distort a definition in which the true definition has been with us which since the time of Adam and Eve. We did not impose an unjust law legalizing the murder of innocents. Even then you can think being gay is okay. Santorum sees homosexuality as a disease. Not the person. He loves the person as God does. But the acts are wrong or immoral, like a disease. Just like you love the alcoholic and try to get him/her to change that destructive behavior to their health. If you think trying to right a wrong such as Roe v. Wade is considered social engineering you are sadly mistaken. He has high standards of morality and I agree with them. You obviously don’t. Or you have a problem with being challenged to be a better person, a better moral person. At least that’s how it seems. Rick Santorum is against contraception but he has never proposed mandating a ban on contraception. You are highly mistaken that Rick Santorum tries to impose or legislate his morality on you or anyone else. And if you feel bringing justice to the unborn, righting a wrong such as Roe V wade is considered to be “right wing social engineering” then you can’t be pro-life or have a skewed view as to what constitutes being pro-life because that is the pro-life movement’s end game. This is why I feel sorry for you. Pro-lifers want to end abortion and reversing Roe v Wade is one means to do so. He is for the states enacting pro-life laws also. Abortion is not safe, legal, and rare as the pro-choice crowd has falsely claimed. You think of morality or the promotion of the truth to be an imposition when it isn’t. It is just right and in accordance with the good of society. But at least you finally admitted honestly as to why you don’t support Santourm. You, sadly, don’t believe in his brand of morality. We need a fighter for the moral cause such as him just like we needed a fighter for conservatism such as Andrew Breitbart.
just a conservative girl 10:50 AM on 03/11/2012 Permalink |
This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues.That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I’m aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.”
His words.
The government doesn’t belong in our bedrooms and if that makes me a radical, then so be it.
joyannaadams 9:58 PM on 03/11/2012 Permalink |
Good piece…well thought out.