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  • just a conservative girl 10:49 AM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: bundy, , , nazism, nevada, ,   

    About Cliven Bundy’s View on Welfare 

    I have always felt there is a danger into turning a person you have never met into a folk hero.  Cliven Bundy being exhibit A of that belief.  To start this off, I want to say very clearly that the government overreach and the excessive use of force used by the BLM should be the main issue and anyone with a brain should be scared that our government is willing to do such a thing to a private citizen for a measly million dollars.  In terms of our government spending a million dollars in fees is nothing in the grand scheme of things.  That said, that doesn’t make Mr. Bundy a hero.  He is standing by what he believes is right.  Which is something that every person should do.

    Instead of having a knee jerk reaction to the story that was unfolding in Nevada, we should have taken a step back and talked about the government overreach instead of the personalities involved.  For all we know Mr. Bundy is a serial killer who has bodies buried all over his ranch.  We don’t know.  We have no way of knowing because the man is a virtual stranger.

    Now, I do believe that somewhere along the line people knew that Bundy was a good person to go after because of his views and personality he could easily be discredited.  The fact is that Bundy has no idea how to talk to the gotcha media.  There is no reason in the world for him to be talking about welfare, it has nothing to do with the issues at hand.  The only thing we should be hearing about is grazing fees, grazing rights, and the land that is owned by the federal government.  A very excessive amount out in the western part of the country.  What are they doing with all that land?  Is it constitutional for them to own that much?  Do the states involved want to take the land back and the federal government refusing to cede the land to them.  Those are real questions that all Americans should have answered.  Instead we are now talking about cotton picking, “negroes”, and welfare recipients.

    I have always felt that slavery and Nazi comparisons are ludicrous.  We cannot compare the poverty we have in this country today to what happened during slavery or what happened to the Jews during World War II under Hitler.

    His comments:

    “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

    “And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

    Yes, I am offended by these comments.  This shows a complete and utter lack of historical knowledge of what slavery was.  Does he believe that the “negro” should be whipped into submission as often happened during slavery?  Should the women be raped as again often happened during times of slavery?

    What about the large number of whites and Hispanics that collect welfare?  Should they learn how to pick cotton too?  After all aren’t they having less freedom as well?

    As expected the people on the left exploded and started calling him the word raaaaacist.  Now, these statements alone don’t mean that Bundy is a racist.  A racist is a person who thinks that they are inherently better than others due to skin color.  Stereotyping isn’t a racist make, it may be stupid and ignorant, but not racist.  Most people are guilty of stereotyping.  Lets take a look at this comment:

    “As a general rule, individuals will sell out the interests of their groups in return for personal benefit…It isn’t just a black thing. Jews collaborated with the Nazis during World War II, helping them to round up their own people in the hopes they’d be the last to go.”

    This is from an article that appeared in the Chicago Sun Times written about the black republican candidate for Governor.  This article was retweeted by Gov. Quinn, not just once, but several times, out to his twitter followers.  Does he approve of that statement?  Apparently not after some Jewish groups complained, his twitter account deleted the retweets.  Erasing away the evidence, or attempting to in any event.  Apparently he approves of the notion that black people can only think in one way or they are a traitor to their race.  It isn’t possible that a person who happens to be black believes in small and limited government.  Nope, not even one across this country.  They are only about the profit motive or possibly some Sambo who is trying to make nice with white republicans so they will like them.  It has never been explained why they would care if white republicans liked them or not if they truly believed that the only way to solve the problems of the black community is more government intervention.  After all it has worked so well in places like Detroit and the south side of Chicago.  But that matters none.  Traitors one and all, there are no other options for the black man.

    We are bombarded in this country by politicians and political pundits with comparisons to Nazi’s and slavery.  The Nazi’s murdered six million people by putting them into gas chambers and ovens.  There is nothing even remotely close to that happening in this country.  Slavery was inhumane and brutal.  It treated a group of people as nothing more than a piece of property to be done with as the “owner” pleased with zero regard to their humanity.  They were somehow less than human and as such could be whipped, beaten, and raped at the whim of the slave owner and his employees.  There is nothing about our welfare system that compares to that.

    Make no mistake, I am no fan of the  welfare system as it is currently set up.  I do believe as Bundy does that it can foster dependency and create more problems than it solves.  But, that isn’t slavery.  Slaves had no options.  Slaves couldn’t find a better job, get more education, go to trade school to better themselves.  Welfare recipients can do these things.  We can save the argument if they do them for another time, but the reality is that the options are there if they are willing to take advantage of them.

    I think it is well past time that both sides of the political aisle stop with the slavery and Nazi comparisons.  They are over the top, unwarranted, and simply a way to garner an emotional reaction that stops critical thinking on very important issues.  It stops speech.  That is what these comparisons are designed to do, regardless of your motivation behind them.

    My advice to Mr. Bundy is to stop talking to the media until he hires a seasoned PR person who knows how to handle the gotcha media.  He is in no way equipped to handle this on his own.

    Sadly all people now are going to remember is the label of racist.  All the good he did to bring the attention to the important issue of federal land holdings has been all but washed away.  Exactly what The New York Times had in mind.

    It is also time that people stop calling a perfect stranger a hero until you know a little something about their character.  Both extremes of the political aisle are far too willing to make a perfect stranger into the poster boy/girl for a cause they care about.  It has backfired over and over again as history shows.  We would all be better off to take a step back, look at the facts, research things on our own, and not have a knee jerk emotional reaction about a person who will eventually have human failings, because we all do.

    Stick to the issues and don’t get sidetracked.  Bundy has done exactly that and what ends up being lost are the issues of excessive government force, land ownership, and the rights of the states.  Now we all lose.  Now we, as a nation, won’t ask the critical question of why the feds thought it was necessary to send in helicopters and snipers over a financial dispute that could have been handled through a lien on his property.  If they believe that they are right in their fees, it could have been handled in a more civilized manner.  It could have been, but it wasn’t.  Now the why of that will likely never get answered.

    Mr. Bundy keep your opinions about welfare to yourself.  No one cares about them, unless they are trying to discredit you and labeled you a racist.  You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn’t mean you need to share it with the world.

    • 1wanderingtruthseeker 11:12 AM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

      African’s sold their own people to each other in Africa. White People did not invent slavery. Slavery has been going on since the beginning of time. Read your Bible. The slavery you are talking about happened more than 150 years ago. GET OVER IT. I have done nothing to black people. Nothing. And none of my ancestors did either. We were just as poor as the slaves. Bundy is a hero and just because he used the term Negro does not diminish him one bit. I agree, this should make every American mad at their government for stealing this land called ours. Not the government, ours. The news people are lying and spreading and making this about racism. It never fails. If nothing else works scream, IT’S RACIST!!! The government and Obama are trying their best to destroy this country. Obama and this country is invading every country that has a Muslim tie in. Stirring the racial melting pot until it is now ready to explode all over the kitchen.

      • just a conservative girl 12:24 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

        And all of that has gotten lost when he said they were better off picking cotton. That is the tragedy of it.

        • 1wanderingtruthseeker 2:37 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

          It’s a tragedy to say that outloud and be punished for it. This is insane. If all that listen to the entirety of it and still say he is racist then I throw my hands up. The democratic government is telling blacks that they are not smart enough to take care of themselves, house themselves or feed themselves, then who is it really that want to keep Negroes on the Plantation? Negro is Spanish for black.

          • just a conservative girl 9:06 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

            I never said that I think he racist. But that doesn’t make it less historically ignorant. Under no circumstances is being on welfare better than being a slave. The word negro is least of the issues of what he said.

            But again, this is about people turning personalities into folk heroes before they know who they are dealing with. Stick with the issues and then the personality of the person won’t matter.

            • 1wanderingtruthseeker 9:40 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

              The issues being the Federal Government is trying to destroy Cliven Bundy. I don’t care if he didn’t like negroes, chinesee, Mexican or root beer, the Federal Government can’t just take his land, property, and livihood just because they say they can. Welfare is demoralizing. It is also infuriates people that work for a living to pay for those same negroes to sit on the porch and do nothing but screwing, dealing,collecting welfare and AID FOR DEPENDANT CHILDREN. It is what it is. deal with it.

          • sue 9:14 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

            YAY! Someone with an open mind!!! Thank You !

            • sue 9:19 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

              (My comment was referring to 1wanderingtruthseeker.)

            • 1wanderingtruthseeker 9:29 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

              Thank you We should all stand up.

        • buckeyegrannie 9:29 AM on 04/26/2014 Permalink | Reply

          He said he was WONDERING if…….It was not a conclusive statement. Are we citizens not permitted to wonder?

          • just a conservative girl 8:17 AM on 04/28/2014 Permalink | Reply

            Well wonder no more, he is the slave code from SC. It is more extensive than this, but here are few of the highlights.

            Slaves were forbidden to leave the owner’s property unless accompanied by a white person, or with permission. If a slave left the owner’s property without permission, “every white person” was required to chastise them.
            Any slave attempting to run away and leave the colony (later, the state) received the death penalty.
            Any slave who evaded capture for 20 days or more was to be publicly whipped for the first offense; branded with an “R” on the right cheek on the second offense; lose one ear if absent for thirty days on the third offense, and castrated on the fourth offense.
            Owners refusing to abide by the slave code were fined and forfeited their slaves.
            Slave homes were searched every two weeks for weapons or stolen goods. Punishment escalated from loss of an ear, branding and nose-slitting to death on the fourth offense.
            No slave could work for pay; plant corn, peas or rice; keep hogs, cattle, or horses; own or operate a boat; buy or sell, or wear clothes finer than “Negro cloth”.

            If anyone that is aware that this type of thing was written into law and this how a human being was treated simply because of skin color and wonders if living in a housing project is worse there is something wrong with that person.

            You cannot wonder if being allowed to be beaten for any time for virtually any reason is better. You cannot wonder if having your children sold away from you is better. Slavery dehumanizes people. They were considered less than human. There is nothing to wonder about if you have a concept of the history.

    • theraineyview 11:54 AM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

      Sounds like he needs an education about more than just media relations.

    • sue 9:12 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

      I live close enough that I have been able to travel to the Bundy Ranch in support of the Bundy’s. There are many people of different races there in support of them. The Times downloaded (they weren’t physically there as I recall ) a 3 minute video segment of an hour long press conference and edited it to 1 1/2 minutes to portray this man as racist. The 3 minute segment proves Bundy is NOT RACIST. Then the Times released their version to every politician and media outlet they could find. Who then proceded to jump on the Times Racist Band Wagon, WITHOUT EVEN A SINGLE ONE OF THEM VERIFYING if that’s what Bundy actually said. IT WAS NOT!
      Here’s a tired old rancher standing in 90 degree heat for over an hour, who had had his family surrounded for days by BLM agents with military assault weapons pointed at them, his son arrested and put in jail, another son tazered, his sister tackled to the ground, some his cattle shot and killed, some ran to death from being chased by helicopter fences torn down, water lines torn out, etc. He had not slept for several days. Hundreds of complete strangers had suddenly congregated on his ranch to show support So maybe under these circumstances he didn’t use politically correct terms for the media. But if you watch the real video, you will see that his whole point was that govt handouts, were in effect making these people slaves to the govt. That we need to create jobs and help them, instead of keeping them dependent on (slaves to) the govt. PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO! You can find both versions on the “Bundy Ranch” facebook page.
      Also watch the video of the militia guy who is at the ranch who says he “would take a bullet” for Cliven Bundy. And the one of the marine who supports him. Both of these men are black, and both of them are there on the ranch, and both of them say CLIVEN BUNDY IS NOT A RACIST! There are several videos, all of the pictures, and commentary from the Bundy’s about this whole situation.
      RACISM is not the issue, it is the Times attempt to discredit Bundy and take the focus off of the real issues Bundy and the Supporters are fighting for.

      • just a conservative girl 9:19 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

        Which proves my point that he shouldn’t be talking to the media about anything other than grazing fees and his current situation. No one cares what he thinks about welfare. It is not relevant to the issue at hand. I will say it again, I don’t think his comments were racist, but they were very ignorant and lack historical knowledge of what slavery was. Do yourself a favor look up the state codes on slavery. After reading then come back and tell me that a person, regardless of color, would be better off living in that situation as opposed to section 8 housing.

        • sue 9:41 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

          I agree that he would be better off sticking with the real issues. But it is my firsthand observation that the polished media sharks are in a constant circle around this guy waiting to attack. They are constantly baiting him and then using it against him. This is an old west cattle rancher who has always spoke his mind and will probably continue to do so. He has no experience with the unethical tactics they use against him. I wish he did have a PR Spin Dr like all of the politicians have. It would benefit his cause
          As far as doing myself a favor and looking up the codes on slavery that isn’t necessary. I have a complete understanding of it. And as a landlord of section 8 housing as well.
          FACT IS: Here we are falling into the Times trap of making this a racial issue, instead of the overreach of the Federal Government upon the American Citizens.

          • 1wanderingtruthseeker 9:47 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

            God have mercy on your soul. You are earning your wings here on earth by being such a landlord. I bet the grounds maintaince takes a backseat to crime scene tape. I’m so funny I scare myself! lol

            • sue 10:00 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

              Rented one apt to a police officer for $100 bucks a month. Problem solved itself.

              • 1wanderingtruthseeker 10:01 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

                I know that.!

    • 1wanderingtruthseeker 9:41 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

      Sorry. I’ll butt out of your blog

      • sue 9:46 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

        No. I welcome your comments and totally agree with them!

        • 1wanderingtruthseeker 9:48 PM on 04/25/2014 Permalink | Reply

          oh, okay!

  • just a conservative girl 9:39 AM on 11/29/2012 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , hungry, jobbick party, nazism,   

    Quote of the Day – Jobbick Party Member Edition 

    “I know how many people with Hungarian ancestry live in Israel and how many Israeli Jews live in Hungary.”

    “I think such a conflict makes it timely to tally up people of Jewish ancestry who live here, especially in the Hungarian parliament and the Hungarian government, who, indeed, pose a national security risk to Hungary.”

    This was said on the Parliament floor in Hungry earlier this week.  It is stunning that this is happening in 2012 after everything we know has happened.

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