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  • just a conservative girl 4:47 PM on 11/13/2011 Permalink | Reply
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    Just When You Think that the Left Can’t Lower Itself Anymore 

    You then find out that Bill Press actually uttered these words:

    “I wonder what Herman Cain’s supporters say about what happens in Penn State, because he happens to be a conservative politician Republican running for president.” “You can’t touch him, but the media can go after Sandusky… what’s the difference? There’s no difference, really.”

    Now, if Herman Cain is indeed guilty of the charges leveled against him by Ms. Bialek, that was assault.  Ms. Bialek, a grown women, never went to police or in any way attempted to press charges against Mr. Cain.  By her own admission when she asked Cain to stop he did.

    Sandusky set up a “charitable” organization for at risk boys so he could have a pool of boys to choose which one he would rape on any given day.  Do you think that Sandusky stopped when his victims asked him to?

    Yeah, I would say there is a difference.

     
  • just a conservative girl 3:22 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply
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    Yeah, Rush Went There 

    Because he didn’t sexually harass anybody because she said stop, and he stopped; she said take me home, and he took her home.
    I did notice that when we were listening to Bialek she said that she told him, “What are you doing, Mr. Cain, I don’t want you to,” and he stopped. She said no and that was it. No means no. . . . When Herman Cain drove the babe home she actually got there and is alive to talk about it. 

    Now, I am not a listener of talk radio very often.  While I do sometimes get useful information, I personally feel it more entertainment than substance.  But, shortly after the press conference I was in a car with a friend who was working on a local campaign to re-elect a state delegate doing a get out the vote effort for yesterday’s elections.  He happened to have it on.  I thought then that Rush went too far, but I didn’t really get to hear the entire thing.  


    Jill over at Pundit and Pundette didn’t take to the Rush dialog on this any better than I have:


    Well yes, it’s true, no one’s accusing him of abduction or murder. But that’s what I’d call a pretty low bar. Would Rush have the same casual response if someone treated his wife like that?

     She asks the question:


    What she is accusing Cain of is worse than that. I’ve been out of the dating scene for a while and I know things have changed, but have we really sunk so low that a guy sticking his hand up a woman’s skirt and pushing her head down to his crotch is just making a romantic overture?

    There are many things about Ms. Bialek’s story that I find troubling.  There are things that just don’t make sense to me.  One being that what she was describing is not harassment, but assault.  That was a criminal offense and she should have contacted the police.  Digging to see if she has financial gain to making these allegations, is she prodded along to make them, and if so, by whom?  Those are legitimate questions to ask. Her credibility then becomes questionable.  But, for people to talk about her sexual history is downright low and disgusting.  Bill Kurtis has basically publicly called her a whore:

    And lot of people [at CBS] know her and she has a history. . . . There’s a lot more to the story that is just developing.

    One of the constant themes you hear from the right in regards to the media coverage of the accusations against Bill Clinton once he started running for president was that the media attacked the women instead of dealing with the allegations against President Clinton.  That is exactly what Rush just did.  He now no longer has the credibility to go after the press for not doing their jobs in regards to Clinton.  


    I believe that the first women’s motivations for making the accusation need to be examined.  Professor Jacobson over at Legal Insurrection has pointed out an article done the by the AP on one of accusers who seems to have a history of making harassment claims.  She went on to make another complaint at her next job, in fact.  In that complaint she was looking for a raise and a promotion.  Apparently, the claim was eventually dropped, but one can detect a pattern of behavior with her that makes her complaint against Cain much less credible.  


    As a woman, I find it just more than a more disturbing that the first line of defense is to call the woman a whore and to dig into her sexual history.  In this day and age most women have a sexual history.  Some may be more sorted than others, but few women were pure as the driven snow on their wedding nights.  The right or wrong of that is up to your own particular morals.  But if only a virgin or a woman who was on her wedding night can be a victim of sexual harassment or assault, most women better start not leaving their homes without a guard, because it will open season on many of us.  


    I have to hang my head in shame to see where Rush took this conversation.  His sexual innuendo with her last name and saying that since she is still alive to talk about it is way over the line of decency.  I am with Jill in asking if someone stuck his hand up his wife’s skirt would he just be grateful that she isn’t dead, and to heck with the gesture?  


    As a person who honestly believes that the media went too far in going after the women who accused President Clinton in a personal, demeaning, and disgusting fashion, I am no more pleased the some on the right are doing exactly the same thing.  Investigate the claims and look into seeing if they are being driven by money or a sick attempt at 15 minutes of fame.  But leave the woman’s sexual history out of it.  It is none of our business.  


     
    • SignPainterGuy 3:50 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

      It is indeed a slimy can-o-worms these women have opened up !

      • just a conservative girl 4:04 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

        No woman has opened the particular can of worms I am referring to. That is all you guy, all you. Her sex life isn’t our business and making a claim of rape, harassment, assault or anything else that a woman may make still doesn’t make it our business.

        • SignPainterGuy 4:56 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

          Sheeeeew, I knew I was steppin` in it as soon as I clicked the “reply” button. ;-)

          The women made the charges. That`s the very first thing the vast majority of us knew about it. There is the “opening of the can” ! That being said, I agree with you, it really isn`t our biz. I like knowing people are happy with their lives, but I don`t need nor want all the details.

          You and I know, in a correct world, people`s personal lives would be left “personal”. None of us believes this is a correct or even remotely fair world. Ugly invasions of privacy are gonna happen, we can watch or don`t. I like it no more than you.

          As for Rush, he is a cheer leader for the right. He can be expected to do the opposite of what the left does. He is attacking the women while the left attacks Cain. Right or wrong, there it is ….. He has a remarkable record as “America`s Truth Detector”.

          My position is, this all gives me pause. I`ve backed up to take a wider-angle view, hoping to see more of the forest, waiting to see what shakes out. How`s that for mixed metaphors ? ;-)

          One more; if you attempt to sling mud on someone, you`re gonna get some on yourself.

          I hope the whole truth comes out !

          • SignPainterGuy 5:00 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

            The last woman came forward with allegations, not having made official charges in the past. I guess news reporters broke the story of the other women having file charges.

            I guess it would be more accurate to say, reporters and this last woman “opened the can-o-worms”.

            • just a conservative girl 6:24 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

              No, it would be accurate to say that men are doing what men have doing forever. Treating a woman who makes a claim into a whore. This is the age old story of the rape victim who deserved it because her skirt was too short.

              Women continue to treated as sexual objects by some, and it is very disappointing to see and hear conservative men doing it.

              • SignPainterGuy 8:09 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

                OK, have it your way, but you`ll have it without me. I`m feeling really uncomfortable under your all-encompassing man-blanket !

                GOD made me so much more than just an instinctive animal ! I happen to respect and love women and see women as equals, to be appreciated and wooed, not taken as property or dismissed as somehow less than myself. I reject your premise.

                • just a conservative girl 8:54 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

                  Where exactly did I say all men? I was talking about two men. One who kept referring to her as buy a lick and another who heard in an elevator she is loose woman. That is hardly all men.

                  • SignPainterGuy 1:38 AM on 11/10/2011 Permalink | Reply

                    “No, it would be accurate to say that men are doing what men have doing forever.” (sic)

                    That would be the all-encompassing man-blanket.

                    “That is all you guy, all you.”

                    That was personal. I didn`t open the subject / “can-o-worms”, Politico`s reporter`s and this last woman / accuser did.

                    One simple, four letter word could have avoided the insult I felt, “some”, as in “some men”. OR, “too damn many” men, OR, “A frustratingly large number of” men. Anything to show that you realize that some of us men try to be Christian men.

                    I read your posts with interest and comment to share my opinion and hopefully, to encourage you to write more. I accept that you have medical issues that I credit for your many typos, but I take them in stride, giving every effort to take your story in the sense you intend.

                    I appreciate the same courtesy !

              • kerry 8:13 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

                what is your outrage really about? are you saying women never lie about rape? really? and you seem very comfortable lumping all men together as brutes and neanderthals.

                • SignPainterGuy 8:20 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

                  My point exactly ! Thank you !

                  • kerry 8:28 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

                    you’re welcome. it’s just as wrong to lump all men into a category as it is women.

                • just a conservative girl 8:39 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

                  My outrage is about the hypocrisy. The right still screams bloody murder about how the Clinton accusers were treated by the media and they turn around and do exactly the same thing to this woman.

                  I never said that women don’t lie about rape. I said calling her a slut shouldn’t be the first line of defense.

    • zillaoftheresistance 9:10 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

      I don’t know if those women are slutty or not and I DON’T CARE, but one of them has a history of causing trouble for former employers with false accusations and another has a history of filing all kinds of lawsuits – a career “victim”. That they come out NOW all these years later with these unprovable stories doesn’t make them ‘whores’ regardless of their sexual history, it makes them bitches, gold digging and/or attention seeking BITCHES. They are not credible and neither is the moron stream media. When I see a story in the NY Times or some other MSM entity about Obama’s murdered dead gay alleged lovers then maybe I will give a flying fig about something they allege about Herman Cain or any other Republican. Until that day comes, nothing they say is worth a tinker’s damn.

      • zillaoftheresistance 9:12 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

        Also, shouldn’t the fact that one of those bitches works for the Obama administration kind of cast a shadow on her credibility? How about the fact that these attacks are coming out of Chicago?

        • zillaoftheresistance 9:13 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

          That Bialek woman lived in David Axelrod’s building and is apparently friendly with him:
          http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-11-09.html

          • just a conservative girl 9:15 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

            I am not defending the woman. I am talking out about how she has been sexualized. The things you are bringing up are legitimate things to look into.

            • zillaoftheresistance 10:22 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

              I don’t listen to talk radio (radios are for me to find music I can sing along to) but are you sure the reference to ‘history’ explicitly meant sexual history? Could it not have mean these women’s histories of being litigious gold digging serial accusers who are well connected with prominent leftists? Those bitches do have histories that are not sexual in nature which completely undermines their credibility.

              • just a conservative girl 10:31 PM on 11/09/2011 Permalink | Reply

                Yes, there was more to the quote. Let’s put Herman and Sharon in the car at the same time and the roles may even have been reversed, given the track record here. That is about her sex life plain and simple.

  • just a conservative girl 7:53 PM on 11/07/2011 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: gloria allred, , sexual harassment   

    The Latest Herman Cain Sexual Harassment Allegations 

    Today, Sharon Bialek, became the first woman to go on the record and formally accuse Herman Cain of being sexually inappropriate with her.  She story is very detailed.  Something that we didn’t have in the past.  The Cain campaign has denied the charges as false and baseless.

    Here are the issues with her story as I see it.

    1. What she is describing is assault, not harassment.  She says that since she didn’t work for the National Restaurant Association she felt that had no claim.  That is simply untrue.  If her story is accurate, Cain asked for sex in order in return for a job.  That is exactly what quid pro quo sexual harassment is.  She would have been perfectly within her legal rights to file a claim of sexual harassment against Cain with the NRA.
    2. She never reported this to the police.  Again, this was attempted rape at worst or assault at best, if her story is true.  Both of which are criminal offenses.
    3. After Mr. Cain stopped after her refusal she wants people to believe that she got into a car with him.  Really?  That makes no sense whatsoever.  None.  As a women I can’t imagine getting into a car alone with a man who just tried to my force my head into his crotch area so he could receive oral sex.  EVER.
    4. She hired Gloria Allred, known publicity whore and tool for the left.  Just ask Meg Whitman.

    The NRA has released a statement confirming her employment that falls within the time frame of her story.  One of the attorney’s for one of the original accusers during his time at NRA has also made a statement saying that the accusations of Ms. Bialek are “similar” to that of what happened to his client.  Easy to say, since we have no idea what the accusations of the first two women are.  The Politico story originally said that one was a gesture that was not really of a sexual nature.  Whatever the heck that means.

    I hope Ms. Bialek is ready for the firestorm that is going to come her way.  She will have people digging into her past.  Some will be doing it to prove her right, others will be doing it to prove her wrong.

    If these charges are true, Herman Cain cannot be president. Character matters.  If these charges are not true shame on the people who have made them so public.  Because once this is all over with, where will Mr. Cain go to get his reputation back again?  People will now always know him as a sexual harasser, regardless of the truth.

    Cross Posted at Pundit Press and just a conservative girl.  

     
    • fuzislippers 8:15 PM on 11/07/2011 Permalink | Reply

      The whole thing doesn’t make sense. Why did she go to DC to talk to him? It wasn’t an interview, just networking. Most people do that via email and/or the phone. But for some reason she went to DC. Upon arrival she notes the hotel upgrade. I’d have called my boyfriend to thank him, but upon finding out that it wasn’t him, I’d march down to the desk and get the room I was originally supposed to have. No favors, that way you don’t “owe” anyone anything, even in twisted minds (which I don’t think Cain has, but why even go there? Stupid).

      Then, why accept a DINNER invitation? For a professional/business meeting? Lunch is much more appropriate, and I’d have insisted upon it (though I’d never have gone in the first place, but still).

      Then go driving around with him, presumably he’d been flirting with her (and she with him), or he’d not have lurched at her like a horny teenager (assuming he did), so why–again–“go there”? She’s a grown woman, you can’t tell me she doesn’t know how things work in the world. And why would he attack her in the car and not ask to see her fabulous suite? Rings untrue. Unless he did ask, she said no, and the car ride was the compromise? In which case, again, why?

      Then, the story goes, they’re sitting in the car (I’m guessing with a driver? not that it matters, but if he’s trying to impress her with fancy suites…), and he lunges at her, thrusting his hand up her skirt and shoving her head crotch-ward? Really? Out of the blue, just like that? With nothing leading up to it? Was he drunk? If so, why would he stop the second she told him to? Sexual assailants aren’t usually that polite in the commission of their crimes.

      Look, this whole thing stinks to high heaven. If conservatives care that he made a pass–or an almost-attack–while married That’s fine. Within our rights. But that story? No way it happened that way, not without huge chunks left out. Huge.

      • just a conservative girl 8:36 PM on 11/07/2011 Permalink | Reply

        I was out doing get out the vote stuff for our election tomorrow. I am going to watch the whole thing later. But, just getting into a car with a man who just tried to assault you is dumbfounding to me.

        But, I have to ask what her motiviation to lie is. Maybe she is naive enough not to realize that her entire life is going to become fodder for the media, something a teenaged child is not going to be jazzed about.

        • fuzislippers 8:53 PM on 11/07/2011 Permalink | Reply

          Well, she’s an unemployed single mom, so my guess the motivation is money. She’s a weird sort of conservative to “hire” Allred and from Chicago, so my spidey-sense is tingling.

          • SignPainterGuy 1:17 AM on 11/08/2011 Permalink | Reply

            Spidey-sense has a remarkable accuracy rate ! I`m going with it.

            Too much doesn`t add up. Gloria Allred`s involvement here when she refused to assist with Slick Willy`s victims when there was tons more corroborating evidence rings of opportunity more than need !

            • just a conservative girl 1:18 AM on 11/08/2011 Permalink | Reply

              Allred did file a brief for Paula Jones. I heard that today.

              • SignPainterGuy 1:35 AM on 11/08/2011 Permalink | Reply

                I heard it too on Hannity radio. She appeared to do no more than necessary (I think was the impression). (?)

          • just a conservative girl 1:18 AM on 11/08/2011 Permalink | Reply

            I don’t think she realizes what she has gotten herself into if she is doing it for money. The things I have seen so far has not been nice, to say the least.

            Also, what exactly constitutes a conservative to Gloria Allred?

            • fuzislippers 2:03 AM on 11/08/2011 Permalink | Reply

              She only took the case to help Obama. The presser started with Allred saying that this Chicago person is a “registered Republican” and then went on to tout her TEA Party creds. Why on earth would a TEA Party person do this (one), and (two) hire–of all people–crazed leftie Gloria Allred? None of it makes sense.

              • just a conservative girl 8:33 AM on 11/08/2011 Permalink | Reply

                Yeah, when she did register as a republican?

                I still have not watched the whole thing. and I can’t until tomorrow, but I am interested to hear it all.

    • marcjan 8:36 PM on 11/07/2011 Permalink | Reply

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      • just a conservative girl 8:32 AM on 11/08/2011 Permalink | Reply

        The fact that the press conference was scripted doesn’t really bother me. Any good lawyer would do that. Allred is the queen of the sensatlonal presser. Allred got rich for a reason.

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