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  • just a conservative girl 12:04 PM on 04/15/2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Fact, Fiction, and the Unknowns of the Trayvon Martin Death 

    There is still so much of misinformation going around about this case, I  thought it may be good to figure out fact, fiction and the unknowns.

    1. George Zimmerman used a racial slur during his 9-1-1 call.  Fiction.  The prosecutors have cleared this up once and for all.  He used the word punks.  Hardly a racial slur

    2. George Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon after the 9-1-1 operator instructed him not to.  Fiction and unknown.  The fiction is that he was “instructed” not to.  No such instruction was made, it was a suggestion, not an order.  Nor does the 9-1-1 operator have any authority to “instruct” anyone to do anything.  There is still some unknown in this when listening to the 9-1-1 tape.  Some say it proves that he stopped following Trayvon, others disagree.  You will have to listen for yourself to make that determination.

    3. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman first.  Not known.  It just isn’t.  Anyone that says that it is, is kidding themselves.  There are no witnesses who saw the fight start.  There are about 3 to 4 minutes between Zimmerman’s 9-1-1 call and the next calls coming into 9-1-1 to report a fight and gunshots.  There are no witnesses to who threw the first punch.  At least that have been public at this point.

    4. Trayvon is a drug dealer.  Fiction/Unknown No proof of this exists.  He was serving a suspension from school when they found a baggie that once had pot in it.  That only proves that at some point he had some pot in his possession.  It doesn’t prove that ever smoked it, let alone sold it.  There are some tweets between he and his friends that seem to be talking about getting pot, but not enough to say that he was a drug dealer.  The most likely scenario was that he and friends smoked it at some point.  Nor does this information have any bearing on what happened that night as Zimmerman had no way of knowing it.

    5. Trayvon is gang member.  Fiction.  Zero proof of this exists

    6. Zimmerman is a racist.  Fiction.  Zero proof of this exists.

    7. Trayvon went for the gun.  Unknown.  We don’t know what the physical evidence says.

    8. Zimmerman was being “beaten to death”.  I would have to say unknown.  We don’t know the severity of his injuries.  He was treated but we don’t know the extent of those injuries.  We only know what a man accused of murder says happened.  We need to hear testimony from the person who examined his injuries at the scene.  It is a fact that Zimmerman had injuries, but we don’t know the extent of what those injuries were.

    9. Zimmerman was not arrested after the shooting.  Unknown to an extent.  He was handcuffed and taken to the police station for questioning.  It doesn’t seem to be clear if he was free to leave or not.  Since he was handcuffed, I would think he was not free to leave.  Is that technically an arrest?  I am not sure.  A lawyer or police officer from Fl. would know that better than I.

    10. Trayvon’s father didn’t report him missing for three days.  Fiction.  It took three days for the body to get released to the family.  His father reporting him missing the following morning.  It was at that time that the police brought a picture of him to his father to identify.  Trayvon was originally listed as a John Doe after the shooting.

    11. The Sanford police department have had issues of incomplete investigations of black victims of crime.  Fact.  Zimmerman himself was involved in trying to force the police department to arrest an officer’s son who beat a black homeless man.  Originally nothing was done.  Was that racially motivated or motivated by the cops trying to keep a fellow officer’s son out of trouble?  Can’t say, but either way and injustice was done to the homeless man initially.

    12. The police just wanted to let Zimmerman go.  Fiction.  The officer who did the questioning wanted to press charges.  The prosecutors said to let him go.  The first police officer to hear his entire story wanted to arrest and charge him criminally in Trayvon’s death.

    A list of many of the other unknowns:

    Where was Trayvon’s body in relation to the Zimmerman’s car?  No evidence of this has been released.

    What angle the bullet entered Trayvon’s chest is not known.  This will be important as it will answer the question if the gun was shot from a position of Zimmerman being underneath him at the time he pulled the trigger.

    Did Trayvon have defensive wounds?  The person who got the body ready for burial says he didn’t see any other injuries, but he is not a medical examiner.  The autopsy has not been released.

    Did Trayvon have Zimmerman’s DNA under his nails?

    Is Zimmerman’s blood on the concrete?  For his story to be true, it would have to be.

    One of the most important facts in this case is that a set of parents buried their child.  They have every right to want a through investigation of why that happened.  If that were your child, you would want exactly the same thing.  They are not making an unreasonable demand.  The hoopla surrounding it has become that.  But the family wanting complete answers to why they had to buy a coffin for their son most certainly is not.

    The hope now must become that Zimmerman can receive a fair trial.  Both Zimmerman and Trayvon only gets justice if the facts are judged for what they are instead of what people think they are.

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    • fuzislippers 1:17 PM on 04/15/2012 Permalink | Reply

      You seem to be implying that the parents are being bashed by conservatives; that’s simply untrue. Or if someone is, please provide a link (or links). We do know that the mother said on The Today Show that she believes that “it was an accident,” and that race-baiting race hustlers essentially want her to shut up and stop messing with their invented narrative.

      Link to story: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/04/14/black-activist-to-trayvon-martin-parents-get-off-the-stage

      • just a conservative girl 2:49 PM on 04/15/2012 Permalink | Reply

        I am implying no such thing.

        • fuzislippers 4:01 PM on 04/15/2012 Permalink | Reply

          Ah, ok. It just seemed that way in your penultimate paragraph (and maybe I’m thinking of your previous posts on this as well.).

          • just a conservative girl 4:36 PM on 04/15/2012 Permalink | Reply

            There is little dispute that this has been taken over by people who have bigger issues then the death of that boy. But that doesn’t change why his parents are pushing for answers. Neither of us would do anything different. That is what parents do, advocate for their child.

            I heard his mom has backtracked on that statement. I don’t know if that is true, only saw it on twitter. Have no other indication that is the case. But if not, it is good for her to realize that Zimmerman was not some wild eyed racist looking to kill some black kid. She needs to find some peace. Which of course will be impossible, but as much as she can.

            • SignPainterGuy 6:04 PM on 04/15/2012 Permalink | Reply

              FWIW, Trayvon`s Mom clarified her definition of “accident” to mean, “the mere fact that the two of them came together on that night”. Sorry, I don`t remember where I read that, so no link.

  • just a conservative girl 10:36 AM on 04/06/2012 Permalink | Reply
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    The Politics of the Death of Trayvon Martin 

    The death of Trayvon Martin is still in the headlines and getting a great deal of coverage on the cable news shows.  I personally watch very little television, but when I do turn on CNN or MSNBC this is a major topic.  New polling is out that shows a racial divide on how you look at the case.  Many whites, myself among them, feel that this has been politicized by the likes of Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton.  Now, I will admit anytime that Rev. Al gets involved in something I am more than just a tad suspicious.   See, I grew up outside of New York City and I remember the Tawana Brawley Case.  A very sad story of young teenaged girl who made accusations of rape at the hands of white attackers.  The longer it when on the more of the circus it became.  Brawley came from an abused background and had a step-father who was literally a killer and a mother who had abused her in the past for running away.  The racial strife that besieged the city during this incident is well-remembered by the people who had to live with it once this story left the news.  While Sharpton was successfully sued, he didn’t pay the monetary damages, people paid it for him.  We then can move onto the Duke LaCrosse players.  Rev. Al tried to destroy these young men’s lives based on a lie.  When there is a big spotlight that he can climb into, he never misses the opportunity.  He is nothing more than a race hustler and a con man.  How this man continues to have any creditability is beyond my comprehension.  Al Sharpton has blood on his hands.

    I have been on record as being disgusted about how some one the right have decided to put Trayvon on trial.  This doesn’t belong in the court of public opinion.  This case is moving along in the justice system.  More slowly than many people would like, but nonetheless it is moving along.

    There are many things that we don’t know about this case.  What does the coroner’s report say about where the bullet entered Trayvon’s body.  They can tell what angle the gun was held at and how close the gun was to his body when it went off.  Did Trayvon have any defensive wounds, did he have Zimmerman’s DNA under his fingernails, and did he have any other injuries beside the gunshot?   Where was Trayvon’s body in relation to Zimmerman’s car?  Where was Trayvon spotted in comparison to the store and his dad’s home?  All of these things will help bolster or help destroy Zimmerman’s statement of events that led to the shooting.  None of these things have been made public, so we have no way of knowing what evidence the state has and what they don’t.  Zimmerman has said that Trayvon went for his gun.  Is his fingerprints on the gun or the holster?  If so, game over; Zimmerman will be a free man.  Rightfully so, in my opinion.  That will be a clear-cut case of self-defense.

    I have nothing but sympathy for the parents of Trayvon.  They buried their child.  Let me say that again, they buried their child.  That is a pain that no person should have to go through.  No matter the circumstances, it is one of the most painful things that anyone will endure.  They want justice done in the name of their son.  A perfectly understandable thing.  Any parent would want a full accounting of what happened to their child and how they died.  I am even willing to cut the woman some slack about getting the trademarks.  She has a very good attorney who I am sure told her to do this.  Lets be honest here, people would have tried to make money off her son’s death and this prevents people from profiting off her pain and loss.

    What I find so troubling is how this boy’s death is being used and politicized.  The family made an appearance on Capitol Hill in regards to Stand Your Ground laws.  That is a state issue and has nothing to do with the federal government.  But people have decided to use this death to further their anti-gun agenda.  Stand Your Ground Laws isn’t really a gun law.  It says that you can use up to deadly force to protect yourself  even off your own property.  You can do that in any number of ways that don’t include a gun.  Some people are well-trained in martial arts and could end another’s life with their bare hands.  You could use a knife if you happen to have one, a tire iron if you are on the side of the road changing a tire and some one tries to attack you.  The law isn’t designed to be about guns, it is designed to allow people who are being threatened with imminent danger to protect themselves.  But of course the anti-gun lobby will use anything that they can to limit the constitutional rights of gun owners.

    We also see cries of racism.  There is zero proof that Zimmerman is a racist.  Zero.  The people who are perpetuating this should be hanging their heads in shame (Rev. Al).  Racism is a very serious charge and it should not be made lightly.  There is word on the 911 call that you can’t make out.  Somehow this has turned into the word “coon”.  When is the last time you heard a person use that word to describe a black person?  That is not something that is part of the everyday conversation about race in this country.  When you make claims of racism that have little to no basis in fact, you are taking away from the true claims of racism.  I have heard one person go as far as to say that Zimmerman’s tutoring of underprivileged people was actually proof that he is a racist.  He did it to prove his superiority or something like that.

    The Congressional Black Congress is not going to be outdone by Rev. Al, so they have decided to enter a resolution to honor the life of the young slain teen and it also calls for a repeal of the stand your ground laws.  Oddly, one of the people who signed onto the resolution is Congresswoman Frederica Wilson who helped pass the law in the Florida legislator.  Oh, the irony and how it is not being reported that this law passed unopposed.

    The media bias in this case is well documented.  NBC has admitted to “editing” the 911 call.  Apparently that happened in the control room.  Uh, huh.  They purposely reported this case as a white on black hate crime.  They have done everything in their power to convict Zimmerman, to heck with the facts; or more precisely the lack thereof.  They have led to some of this uneven polling that we are seeing.  They have taken an unfortunate set of circumstances that we don’t have all the facts about and turned it into political theater.  A very sad commentary on how the view their jobs as unbiased reporters of facts.   They are losing even the bare threads of journalistic integrity that they had left.  Especially when you consider Al Sharpton is allowed to lead rallies then report on them during his show.  While he is opinion and should be given a little more leeway, he has been allowed to use that platform to push a point a view about a criminal matter.

    Rev. Al says it is people  on the right who have decided that Zimmerman is not guilty.  I don’t believe that to be true.  I think most on the right feel that they don’t have enough facts to say what did or did not happen and we would like to see what the special prosecutor has to say about the available evidence.

    I have heard on interview with Trayvon’s mother.  She won’t accept anything but a conviction.  Of course she is still in mourning and dealing with her grief.  I can’t imagine that Al Sharpton will accept it if the prosecutors come back and say that the evidence shows that Zimmerman acted within the law and no charges will be brought.  I know some who will not accept it either.  At least at this point.  They have made up their minds.  They ignore the fact that there is a witness that backs up Zimmerman’s claims.  Trayvon was on top of him punching him.  There are wounds seen on him in the video that released.  There was tape on his nose showing that their was some sort of injury.  To me the only way that Zimmerman should have felt reasonably in danger was if Trayvon did go for his gun.  If not, he was not justified in shooting him.

    I have come to the conclusion that at the end of the day we will find that both Zimmerman and Trayvon both made some bad choices.  Zimmerman should have stayed in his car and locked the door once he knew the police were coming.  Trayvon should have either ran to his dad’s or called 911 when he was made uncomfortable once he realized that some strange man was following him.  If either of them had done these things, Trayvon would still be alive today.

     
    • Ike 1:31 PM on 04/06/2012 Permalink | Reply

      As to your opinion that “…the only way Zimmerman should have felt reasonably in danger was if Trayvon did go for his gun.”, I disagree. If Martin was on top of Zimmerman, banging his head onto the ground – or a concrete sidewalk – how much of that physical punishment does a person have to take before being reasonably in fear of death or serious bodily injury? How much pain? How much potential serious bodily injury is required? Must a person in that situation wait until they feel their skull fracture before they’re entitled to kill in their own defense? Why do you suppose that one of the life lessons which used to be imparted to kids – at least in the working-class white world I lived in – was “Don’t start a fist fight with a man who has a gun.”? Take a guess. Because precisely this will happen to you, regardless of race, regardless of time of day or night, regardless of anything other than if you are beating up a man (or woman) who has a gun, they will shoot and kill you. Bad choices? Yes, I agree with that part, however, the producing cause of Martin being shot was his physical attack on Zimmerman. Not conservative racism; there is a live witness to has told the police that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman beating his head into the sidewalk. How many times does a person have to be hit before you belive they’re entitled to kill in self-defense?

      • SignPainterGuy 7:21 PM on 04/06/2012 Permalink | Reply

        Dittos Ike ! “Must a person ……. feel their skull fracture before they`re entitled to kill in their own defense ?” This seems to be much the same rationale behind the protection of and the laws against harming grizzly bears. Apparently, the bear`s defenders believe you must have your head in the bear`s mouth and feel the pressure of the bite into you skull, or have already lost an arm or other appendage before you can shoot to defend yourself !

        I say, HORSE MANURE !! No animal is worth a hair or fingernail of a human ! No criminal or attacker is worth dying for. The attacker certainly doesn`t care for your rights; a home invader gave up his rights as soon as he crossed the curb ! Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 !

        If criminals could come to reasonably expect a person to defend himself, likely with deadly force, much violent crime would be prevented by the fear of dying themselves in the process of committing a crime. A whole lot of second thoughts !

        • just a conservative girl 7:49 PM on 04/06/2012 Permalink | Reply

          he knew that the police were coming. On top of that his injuries were not severe enough that they required him to seek medical attention outside of what was being done at the scene. It is well known that this man had anger management issues. It could very well be that he reacted in anger more than fear of his life. Again, we have to wait and see what the medical reports have to say about his injuries. From what little we can glean from the video (which is not much) his injuries looked relatively superficial.

    • Ike 9:04 PM on 04/06/2012 Permalink | Reply

      He was a part of the neighborhood watch and was protecting his neighbors and their homes. He knew the police were coming; yes and do you suppose that was anything he considered, while his head was being pounded into the ground – or concrete? Would you have thought, “Oh, the cops are coming, so I won’t do anything”? You are ignoring the question. The question is: how much physical injury must a person suffer before being legally – or morally, if you prefer – justified in killing their assailant? His injuries are ‘relatively’ superficial because he shot and killed his attacker. From what legal source comes your implicit idea that there is some threshold of inflicted injury required before the use of deadly force is legally permitted?? Put yourself in Zimmerman’s position: you’ve been punched in the face and knocked down by someone who you strongly suspect of being a burglar who is looking for somewhere to burgle; he is – right now – pounding the concrete sidewalk with your head; you scream and yell for help, but no one answers or comes to help. Are you going to tell me that you would simply lay there and be beaten to death – or to whatever degree would satisfy Martin – without raising a hand to defend yourself? Suppose that one of the hypothesized events was occurring: that Martin was attempting to take your gun out. Does that change your opinion? And even if true, does it matter that he had anger management issues? Of what significance is that? Having served in the Vietnam War for three years, I can tell you that in life-and-death situations, anger is a virtue, not a disease – as it appears to have become here in these ‘modern’ times. No, it seems plain, based on the publicly-released information from law enforcement that Martin attacked Zimmerman, was beating his head against a sidewalk – perhaps was trying to take his gun, maybe not – Zimmerman was yelling for help and got none. So, he took out his gun and shot the man who was attacking him. Good outcome? Of course not, but the fault is Martin’s, not Zimmerman’s, based on the available evidence that has been publicly released. There is no requirement in the law that a person being beaten wait until some certain amount of damage is done; the requirement is that that person be reasonably in fear of serious bodily injury or death. Having one’s head bashed into the sidewalk repeatedly, after having been punched in the face and knocked down would seem to create that fear in any reasonable person.

      • just a conservative girl 9:37 PM on 04/06/2012 Permalink | Reply

        You are assuming that Zimmerman is telling the whole truth about what happened. Yes Trayvon at some point was on top of him – According to one witness. According to another that was not the case. Do you think that if you start a fight with someone and they end up getting the better of you during that fight that you get to kill them? For all you know that is what happened. You can’t say who threw the first punch. No one saw it.

        There is a woman being interviewed right now as I am writing this saying that she believes the cries she heard came from Trayvon. She also believes that they were on the grass the entire time of the fight. She was on the phone with 911 when she heard the shot.

        You have chosen to believe Zimmerman’s story in total, without the police reports of the physical evidence you are making assumptions of facts that may or may not exist. You don’t know where the body was found in relation to the car, in relation to the sidewalk, and many other things.

        To say that Zimmerman acted within the law with the scant evidence that is available is irresponsible. Just as irresponsible as Rev. Al saying that he was shot in cold blood because he was black.

        • fuzislippers 12:27 PM on 04/12/2012 Permalink | Reply

          [quote]You are assuming that Zimmerman is telling the whole truth about what happened. [/quote]

          And you are assuming he’s not. Why not let the courts decide?

          • just a conservative girl 1:13 PM on 04/12/2012 Permalink | Reply

            I know that death was avoidable. Both of them could have made different choices that night. Whether it is criminal or not, no one can reasonably say with the evidence that has been released thus far. Only two people know what really happened and one is dead.

    • Ike 9:03 AM on 04/07/2012 Permalink | Reply

      I have not reached any final conclusion in this case, for precisely the reasons you list, summarized as ‘we haven’t heard the evidence yet’. I am arguing with your statement that Martin had to be reaching for Zimmerman’s gun before Zimmerman would have been justified in shooting him. (That is, by the way, clearly not the law in any jurisdiction that I’m familiar with.) I would point out that you also appear to believe any claim contrary to Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. You assume, without any evidence at all, that Zimmerman started a fight with Martin. On the question of who threw the first punch, since the police report that Zimmerman had a broken nose, blood on his face and some minor injury to the back of his head, it seems more likely than not that Martin caught him by surprise with a fist to his face and followed up as that one witness described. But you’re correct that a final decision must wait on hearing the evidence, in court. I am handicapped in these cases by my education, training and experience: in addition to combat duty in Vietnam, I am a retired court reporter and attorney who defended criminal defendants, so I have notion of what the law is in such cases as well as first-hand knowledge of what fighting for my life is like. I say again that my argument is against your notion that Zimmerman needed more justification to shoot Martin than what some of the witnesses are saying and what some of the physical evidence supports. There is no legal requirement to have some specific degree of injury, only that the person shooting has a reasonable fear of the imminent infliction of death or serious bodily injury. You have written that more is needed and it is with that assertion that I argue. Not with “who did what to who” or “who’s guilty and who’s innocent”.

      • just a conservative girl 9:20 AM on 04/07/2012 Permalink | Reply

        There are things about Zimmerman’s story that make no sense. The body was found face down. Which means he had to have fallen forward after being shot. Which would lead one to believe that he fell on top of Zimmerman. That gives me pause about his story. Another thing that gives me pause about his story is that he said he was attacked from behind. The police said he had grass stains on his clothing on his back. If he was in the street walking back to his car, attacked from behind wouldn’t he have fallen to the point where his head was in the grass and his back on the concrete? Again, we don’t know if there is blood on the concrete or not. What I am saying is that his story doesn’t add up that it is the complete truth. I also don’t think if he started the altercation, which is possible. There are now two or three witnesses that say that is true. If true, I don’t see how self defense becomes an issue. If I were on a jury and someone started a fight then killed the person and claimed self defense, I would have to convict.

        I also do take issue with imminent threat when you know the police are coming. Head wounds tend to be very bloody, for whatever reason the scalp bleeds a great deal. His clothes don’t appear to be that bloody. The little evidence we have doesn’t back up his story of self defense to me. I would need to know more.

        • cindy 11:40 AM on 04/07/2012 Permalink | Reply

          I beleive that some of the most damning evidence against Zimmerman may be where the bullet entered Trayvon and the trajectory of the bullet. If the bullet entered Trayvon’s back, then Zimmerman is lying about being on the bottom as they struggled. It also means he could have avoided deadly force by continuing astride Trayvon’s body until tthe police arrived. I think Zmmerman, having successfully interrupted a burglary in process in the neighborhood already, wanted to play “hero-cop” for which he is not qualified. He could not have made a citizen’s arrest under the facts with no evidence to support him except a vague suspicion. I dislike both Rev. Sharpton and Jessie Jackson for their sensationalism and divisive tactics, but I do believe there was racial profiling in this case: Young black men were perpetrators in four of the last eight burglaries in the neighborhood; Zimmerman targeted Trayvon because of this (Would he have targeted young white men? – I doubt it); therefore, he did not see Trayvon as an individual because of his race, despite his altruism toward black children in given situations. Finally, this case would not have gotten as far as it has in the court system, were it not for the court of public opinion. I wonder if Zimmerman will invoke the 5th Amendment?

          • just a conservative girl 4:19 PM on 04/07/2012 Permalink | Reply

            Cindy, Zimmerman won’t have to plead the 5th if criminal charges are brought, he is under no obligation to testify. Although one would think in a case where you are using self defense it would be better that you do.
            I am not sure I will go as far as to say racial profiling. I grew up in an all white town. We had a very small police force and truth be told they didn’t do much as it really is a sleepy little town where little happens. But if you were a person of color driving through there late at night they would follow you. I asked one of the cops one day (they used to come to the Friendly’s we hung out at). He told me that it wasn’t racist, it was risk assessment. I didn’t really buy it at the time, but as I have gotten older I see what they were saying. They knew they didn’t live there, so what are they doing driving around late at night? They also followed people in old beat up cars because this is an affluent town and most people didn’t have older cars. I am sure in most cases it was totally innocent, but I would be willing to be dollars to doughnuts that by doing that they saved my home or one of my neighbors from being robbed at least some of the time. (And I am not saying because they are people of color, just that they were people who had no business being there late at night.) They didn’t pull people over and give tickets for no reason, just would follow them until they crossed over into the next town. If the break-ins were being committed by young black males (I am not saying this was the case, I don’t know) and you see a young black male that you have not seen before then yes you would look at that person with doubt if you are trying to play super cop. Color is also a descriptor. It doesn’t always involve racial profiling. But you and I agree on the hero cop thing. Something he was obviously woefully unprepared for. I think an experienced, well trained cop would have had a different outcome even if Zimmerman is telling the truth. Most cops carry taser’s which are not usually deadly.

            Maybe you are correct about getting the special prosecutor assigned. I would like to think that a plea to the governor and AG Bondi would have yielded the same result without all this hoopla. But I may be being naive on that count. We will never know now.

  • just a conservative girl 4:11 PM on 04/05/2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Quote(s) of the Day – Don Cheadle Edition 

    “Dear NBC News, Huh???”

    “It was ‘an error made in the production process that we deeply regret.’ Really? ‘Error?'”

    “Anybody out there know anything about editing?”

    “Unless the AVID malfunctioned, SOMEBODY was faking the funk,”

    “Why?, is the question. What was furthered beyond NBC news ratings?”

    “Dangerous subject matter to be f*cking with. Irresponsible, incendiary and completely counter to the furtherance of justice for either side.”

    “I pray this kind of bullsh*t doesn’t effect the investigation or sway the facts in any way. There needs to be a proper outcome based on fact. Truth doesn’t need ‘help.’

    If Zimmerman is proven guilty of a crime he should be charged accordingly and prosecuted to the full extent.”

    “I think what it mostly does is reveal how biased many still are in both polarizing directions; assumptions aplenty,”

    Actor and Activist Don Cheadle tweets on NBC’s admission they doctored the 9-1-1 call of George Zimmerman the night he shot and killed Tayvon Martin.

     

     
  • just a conservative girl 11:56 AM on 03/29/2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Quote of the Day – Sheila Jackson Lee Edition 

    “You can break your nose on a door.”

    Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee on George Zimmerman’s assertion that Trayvon Martin broke his nose.

    I don’t know if there has been medical evidence that confirms that his nose was broken or not.  But what I do know is that this happened in a grassy area near some homes.  The police arrived very shortly after the shooting, within minutes.  How exactly would he have found time to get to a door and break his own nose?

    What an embarrassment to the House of Representatives.

     
  • just a conservative girl 12:46 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Tucker Carlson, you should be hanging your head in shame – The Daily Caller Enters the Trayvon Martin Fray 

    There doesn’t seem to be an end to the tragedy of the Jayvon Martin story.  Two parents buried their child.  Something that shouldn’t happen ever, under any circumstances.  Lets start with what we do know.

    Zimmerman was out in his community doing a neighborhood watch.  Zimmerman calls the cops about a kid wearing a hoodie that looks suspicious to him, like he is on drugs or something (how he can tell that from driving by him is beyond me).  The 911 operator tells him that there is no need to keep following him.  Zimmerman doesn’t listen and continues to follow him.

    911 gets multiple calls about a fight outside that ends with a gun shot being heard. One caller sees Martin on top of Zimmerman punching him.  People are hearing cries for help.  Two other witnesses say that Zimmerman had his hand on his back after shooting him and made no attempts to help him.  People see a kid lying on the ground and suspect that the kid is dead.  The police arrive.   Zimmerman has cuts and is bleeding.  His injuries are treated in a police car.  No medical treatment that required hospitalization was given.  Zimmerman is then handcuffed and brought to the police station.  He gives a statement saying that Trayvon came up from behind when he was going back to his car after looking at the street sign to get the name of the street.  Trayvon punched him, after falling to the ground Trayvon gets on top of him and is banging his head into the ground.  He started yelling for help, no one came out to help him, he pulled his weapon and shot and killed Trayvon.  Zimmerman is Hispanic (which is not a race by way) and Trayvon is black.

    That is what we know for sure.  From this little information this has turned into a three-ring circus.  Zimmerman has been labeled a racist when the proof of that is scant at best.  In walks the likes of Al Sharpton who has a history of riling up racial strife without knowing all the facts.  Remember the Duke Lacrosse players and Tawana Brawely?  Only two examples of his not having all the facts before shooting off his big mouth.  I remember the Brawley case.  I grew up just outside of New York City in a Connecticut suburb.  I was young, but I remember what he did to that city with the false claims and outright lies.

    Then we have the journalists and talking heads that have taken a word that cannot be made out from the 911 call and have insisted he used the word “coon” which has racial overtones. CNN decided to go the extra mile and cleaned up the tape.  It seems like the word he really used was punk.   The pictures being released of both people have been purposely misleading.  They wanted to paint a narrative that Zimmerman was some wild-eyed racist intent on killing an innocent young boy simply because he was black.  No proof of that exists.

    The president decides to open his mouth and he too further inserts race into the issue by saying his son would look like Trayvon.  We have seen marches, looting, horrible displays of “mourning” done across the country.  It is hard to turn on a cable news channel without it being about this story.  Some being worse than others.  But what I can tell you is from the hits I have had on my several blog posts, this is the story that people want to hear.

    We then have the really idiotic left that has tried to blame this shooting on republicans.  It wasn’t being politicized enough I guess.

    I know that I have been called a racist more in the past three years than I have in the previous years of my life combined.  I get sick of it.  Especially since how I live my life and the people in it are not taken into account before the level is charged.  I am not alone on the right of this feeling.  We are all sick of it.

    We are standing here watching Jesse Jackson, who doesn’t even seem to have a grasp of the basic facts of the case when he said that Trayvon was shot in the back of the head, using this death to talk about voter registration.  Trayvon has been compared to Emmit Till, even though there is no comparison between the two deaths.  We see an agenda and we don’t like it.

    So instead of asking the left to come up with real evidence of Zimmerman’s racism, we decide to handle it by attacking a dead 17-year-old boy.  An intrepid blogger goes digging around on Facebook and twitter.  Finds some tweets that lead one to believe that the kid and his friends smoked pot and a possible fight with a bus driver.  Alleged pictures of tattoos have surfaced.  His school records were leaked to the media.  Apparently Trayvon has been suspended 3 times during his high school career.  Once for tardiness.  Once for spray painting graffiti, and this last time for having a baggie that had traces of pot in it.  The juvenile authorities in Florida have confirmed this boy had no arrest record.  While I certainly don’t condone a 17-year-old kid smoking pot, all in all there is no evidence that the kid is all that different from many others around the country.    If this is all of it, he is much better than many as well.

    I smoked pot when I was younger.  I also got suspended for spray painting some very poorly chosen words about a teacher who gave me a B on school property.  My parents had to pay to clean it up.  And believe me, they weren’t going to hire a professional to do it.  I had to do it.  It took me a couple of hours if I remember correctly.  I learned my lesson.  I never did it again and realized that a B wasn’t so bad.  I have never been, nor will I ever be a gangbanger or a drug dealer.

    So this kid has probably smoked pot.  He may or may not have had some jewelry in his backpack.  No one can prove that story to be true.  He has been late to school enough times that he has to serve a suspension.  He had may or may not have had tattoos, that would have been covered by the hoodie by the way. He may or may not have taken a “swing” at a bus driver; no proof of this happening exists.  Is that a drug dealing gangbanger make?  That is just as much as stretch as calling George Zimmerman a racist.  Don’t “gangbangers” carry guns?  Isn’t that the point of calling them bangers?

    So in walks the Daily Caller and what do they decide to do?  They print the tweets.  They too have decided that they should be playing defense attorney for George Zimmerman.  They too have decided to put the dead kid on trial in the court of public opinion.  All the while complaining about the likes of Jackson and Sharpton doing the same to Zimmerman.  Hypocrites much?

    There is so much we don’t know about this case.  What type of scrapes and cuts did Trayvon have besides the fatal shot.  Did he have any defensive wounds that would put Zimmerman’s version of the events into question?  What angle did the bullet hit Trayvon?  Did Zimmerman have  blood on his shirt?  Where was the body in relation to the car?   It would seem likely to be close by if his version of the story is true.  We don’t know what the coroner’s report says.  As far as I know it has not been released.  It just came out yesterday that the original police officer who questioned Zimmerman recommended that charges be pressed and wanted to arrest him that night.  The district attorney decided that they needed to wait.  Apparently not even the information that the police department wasn’t doing its job as initially reported was incorrect.

    But some on the right have decided to tear this young man’s life apart and turn him into the villain.  I have seen people call him a gangbanging thug who got what he deserved.  Yeah, they said that.  Others believe because he had gold teeth (another thing I am not sure is true or not) proves he was a criminal.

    What is so disturbing about the treatment of the dead boy in this case, this is how rape victims are sometimes treated.  Zimmerman may be charged with murder or manslaughter, a grand jury has been convened.  He already has a defense attorney.  Tucker Carlson shouldn’t be playing that role.  He also shouldn’t be making it harder for Zimmerman to get a fair trial. He certainly should not be turning what could very well be an innocent young, dead kid into a victim for the second time.  Shame on you Tucker.  You are a parent, you should know better.

     
    • fuzislippers 12:59 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

      What did the DC and/or Tucker actually say? Where is the quote/link? I may have missed it, but before I comment, I’d like a bit more information (not a bad thing to await as most of us are finding out in this case). (and I can’t believe you’re buying into the leftist crap about Hispanic not being a race–the government and every school, including universities, made it one. Check when you’re asked what your race is on any “official” form. They’re changing the definitions now, sure, but why are you going along with it? By their logic, “white” isn’t a race, either, nor is “Caucasian,” which is fine with me, but if we’re redefining terms, let’s be consistent about it.)

      • just a conservative girl 1:22 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

        Hispanic is more of a cultural thing than a race thing. As an aside apparently there is affirmative action in how crime is reported when it comes to Hispanics (a post for another time) but Hispanic is broken out in different ways. White Hispanic, Black Hispanic. I worked with a woman who is Hispanic and she calls herself white. Her children are much darker than she, and she calls them colored. So how you define it is up to who you ask. Personally I have always thought there are four races. White, Black, Hispanic, Asian. That is how I personally view it. But those are not the legal terms for it. Why we (the country, not you and I)are so obsessed with it is why we are even having this discussion.

        DC printed the tweets all the while they are playing up the “race card” angle of the story as well.

        I am not going to link to them, but they are there. And they are not our business. This kid is dead. We don’t know what happened. Nor did Zimmerman have anyway of knowing what he tweeted or anything else about his kids life before he saw him that night.

        This kid could very well have been murdered. And trotting out his past before the authorities have done their investigation is unseemly at best. Not the first time the DC has done this sort of thing. But it should be their last. Zimmerman has every right to use these things in his defense if it ever comes to that, I guess. This is character assassination to be put out in the public domain in this way. Plain and simple.

        No one ever stops to think that you could have a family member have a horrific thing happen to them and it become very public. This is just unseemly. It adds nothing to public discourse and it makes getting justice that much harder for everyone involved. Shouldn’t that be the goal?

        • fuzislippers 1:35 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

          I’ll grant you “race” is a tricky thing (Jews, for instance, often see Jewish as a race), but it’s not useful to throw out that “Hispanic is not a race” thing because for all intents and purposes, it is. When we start semantic gymnastics, as the far left is trying to do, then actually “white” and “black” are not “races.” And technically, they’re not. This white Hispanic / black Hispanic thing smacks just a tad too much of “mulatto” and other distinctions that actually trace “amounts” of X “blood” in people: are you 1/8 black? etc. It’s ridiculous and a complete game to the left, a very dangerous game designed to pit people against one another. One’s race should never matter, we are Americans. Hey, let’s make “American” a race!

          I’m sensitive to your defense of Trayvon, but you’re taking a human angle that isn’t really based in facts (we don’t know them yet, not really), and the left was gleeful when they had him pegged as a white supremacist, gun-toting Rush listener (he’s not, not even close). If the police didn’t see a reason to arrest him, I have to think, until we have actual facts, that they know what they are doing. But then, I’m a conservative who–until we know that they’re in the bag with BO–believes in our law enforcement officials.

          • just a conservative girl 1:43 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

            My point being that some on the right seems to be gleeful that they can paint him as thug. I find that abhorrent. My boy could be Trayvon one day.

            • fuzislippers 1:51 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

              I know, my friend, I know. But think. Your boy is nothing like Trayvon, nothing at all. And you know this, your son has the best parents I can think of and good grounding in good principles.

              If it turns out that Zimmerman killed Trayvon BECAUSE he was black, he’s an evil bastard who must be brought to justice. Anyone who is killed based on race (or whatever, heh) is deserving of true, and equal, justice.

              • fuzislippers 1:52 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

                Can I say “bastard” on Potluck? Twice?

                • just a conservative girl 1:53 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

                  we will have to ask Jill. LOL.

                  Thanks for the compliment, but you have to understand when you raise a black son, it is a worry. No matter how you raise him.

                  • fuzislippers 2:03 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

                    I know. And that is exactly why we have to fight this racist crap that the left forces on us.

          • Don 8:11 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

            fuzislippers, the term “Hispanic” is not a race. It was a term invented during the Nixon administration. They added it to the Census and it was done with the idea of going after a particular voting demographic.

            “This is all an artifact of decisions taken during the first Nixon Administration. The terms “Hispanic” and “Asian/Pacific Islander” have their origins in a term first placed on the 1970 Census form during the Nixon Administration, and sought in the case of “Hispanic” to unite those with nothing in common other than backgrounds vaguely related to countries where the Spanish language is important. It is not strictly a geographic term, identifying people from Latin America and the Caribbean. While Dominicans, who speak Spanish, and Brazilians, who speak Portuguese, are Hispanic, Haitians, who speak French and Creole, and Jamaicans, who speak English, are not. (And whether this vague type of person should be called “Hispanic” or “Latino” is an absurd and impenetrable controversy all its own.) The decision to invent Hispanics has had profound effects on American culture.”

            Source – http://futureuncertain.blogspot.com/2005/09/how-richard-nixon-invented-hispanics.html

            • just a conservative girl 8:22 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

              That is fascinating Don. Thanks so much. I knew it was an American invention, but didn’t know the history. Nixon’s evil keeps right on popping up doesn’t it?

            • fuzislippers 12:11 AM on 03/29/2012 Permalink | Reply

              If we are going with “Hispanic is not a race,” and as I said, I’m fine with that, then we need to be consistent. “White” and “black” are also not races, Don (and JACG). They are constructs, usually used for political purposes (and grossly misused and abused by leftists.); we call it “identity politics.”

              Here’s a very basic primer in race: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/race/

              • just a conservative girl 6:52 AM on 03/29/2012 Permalink | Reply

                In Europe the word race is used as what country you are from. It is pretty much only us that color when using the word race. You are right, it is only used a way to divide. We are the only country on earth that hyphenates. There is no such thing as a African-Canadian. Which is why I never use the term African American. A black person who has been here for generations has nothing in common with someone who is newly immigrated here from Africa.

                • fuzislippers 7:03 AM on 03/29/2012 Permalink | Reply

                  Oh, but if someone emigrates from South Africa and is white, they don’t get to be called “African-American.” It’s about division and pitting groups against each other.

    • signpainterguy 5:16 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

      Here`s the Sanford, FL. police report;
      http://weaselzippers.us/2012/03/28/document-police-report-provides-new-details-of-trayvon-martin-shooting/ .

      Here is a pic showing Tryvon`s gold teeth and also an example of how MSNBC skewed the 911 call;
      http://weaselzippers.us/2012/03/28/msnbc-omits-crucial-words-from-911-call-to-paint-zimmerman-as-a-racist/ . Notice how Zimmerman never mentioned Trayvon`s race until asked by the 911 Operator. Any wonder why I refer to them as “MessNBC” and Rush calls them “PMSNBC” ? I think a “bs” fits at the end of it very well ! (MSNBCbs)

      • just a conservative girl 5:42 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

        And none of that has anything to do with painting Trayvon as a thug and a gangster. Which is my point. The left has twisted things and made assumptions to make Zimmerman look like a racist. Why did the right feel the need to make this kid look like a gangster? The exact term used by some is drug dealing gangster thug. The police report only talks about what Zimmerman said happened. Those are statements, not facts.

        • signpainterguy 5:50 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

          I didn`t know if you`d seen a copy of the PR; thought it might be of interest. You mentioned in another thread (I think) that you hadn`t seen a pic showing Trayvon`s gold grill !

          • just a conservative girl 6:14 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

            Yes, since writing it I have seen the pic. I don’t get that, but for some it is a fashion statement. Very popular in some South American countries too.

            Thanks.

  • just a conservative girl 2:18 PM on 03/25/2012 Permalink | Reply
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    The Additional Tragedy of the Tayvon Martin Death 

    First, I want to make it perfectly clear that I feel that this case should go in front of a grand jury and let them decide what, if any, charges are brought against Zimmerman.  It should not be tried in the court of public opinion. 

    The problem is that this case is being tried by the media, the pundits, the race baiters of our country, social media, and around kitchen tables all over America.  It is really criminal that this boy’s death is being used in this way.  There are people with an agenda that are making statements that may very well have no basis in fact.  

    The police have released very little information on the evidence that they have on the case.  Maybe because they did a awful job investigating it or just maybe because they are doing a better job than people are willing to admit and are making sure that they are covering every base.  It isn’t all that unusual for it to take time for charges to brought against someone.  Police have to build a case that they believe will hold up in court.  

    We also can look at the photos that are being used.  Below is the photos that media are using.  Photos that are old and paint a picture that they want to paint.  


    They are using pictures of Tayvon that are old and make him appear much younger than his 17 years.  They are using an old mug shot of Zimmerman that is a close up picture of his face that makes him look much bigger than the picture to the right of it.  Media narrative.  The facebook picture of Trayvon clearly shows that he was much bigger than what the media would like you to believe and that Zimmerman isn’t as big as they want you to believe.  

    In Chicago there was a march to honor the life of Trayvon.  But there was barely a mention of the people who were killed by gang violence in a city that has been overrun by gang related crime and deaths this year.  57 children have lost their lives since the beginning of the school year.  The majority of them were gang related.  Are those children’s lives less valuable?  Don’t their parents want justice too?  

    We have movie director and producer Spike Lee tweeting out Zimmerman’s home address, not just once, but twice.  He have Al Sharpton involving himself in this crime.  We have Jesse Jackson saying that black men are under attack.  On this point we sort of agree:

    While African Americans comprise 13.5% of the U.S. Population, 43% of all murder victims in 2007 were African American, 93.1% of whom were killed were African Americans. 

    Shouldn’t we be just at outraged about these murder victims as well?  

    It isn’t that anyone is saying that Jayvon’s death isn’t a tragedy.  It is.  No parent should bury a child, ever, under any circumstances.  It goes against the nature of things.  My only point being we need to examine why this particular crime is getting so much attention and how the media is creating a narrative that may or may not be based on facts.   George Zimmerman has been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. Not only as a murderer, but a racist as well.  The evidence of that is quite lacking.  

    Black parents have some worries that others do not.  They have to talk to their sons in a way that their white counterparts do not.  Racism exists in this country.  That cannot be denied.  But not every crime  that have people of different colors involved is about racism.  It just isn’t.  The above stat proves that.  Only 7.9% of black murders are even committed by someone of another race. These numbers may not be comfortable for people like Jackson, Sharpton, and Lee to look at, but it doesn’t make them less true.  

    We have to decide as a society if black murder victims are only cared about when they are killed by someone who is not black.  It is about time we have the difficult discussions and broach the topics of why the numbers are so skewed.  Until we talk about the real issues, the problems will never be solved.

    I know that I view the police differently than many in the black community do.  I trust the police for the most part.  There are bad apples of course, but by and large they do their dangerous jobs well.  Many in black communities have a very different view of the police.  But I do feel that is more socio-economic related than race related.  I think that distrust of the police is just more prevalent in poorer communities were crime rates are higher than they are in lower crime rate areas. I have had very few run-ins with the police in my life.  So from my vantage point they are doing their job keeping criminals away from my property.  When you live in a high crime area you are going to see police more often.  You will see people getting arrested more.  You may even feel hassled if they question you because their was a crime in your neighborhood, you will also know more victims of violent crimes and you will know more people who have spent time in jail.  You wonder why they are not doing more about the gangs, the drugs, and whatever else is more of a daily occurrence in your neighborhood than what happens in mine.  Those are the biases that people from my vantage point and  people from other vantage points bring with them when they look at this case.  It isn’t about racism, it is about human nature.  We look at the world from what we have experienced and seen for ourselves.  


    Read here What if Trayvon Martin were white.  A true story of white teen killed by a black shooter.  A different state with different gun laws.  There is an agenda to why this story is getting the attention that it is.  

     
    • fuzislippers 3:24 PM on 03/25/2012 Permalink | Reply

      We’re allowed to talk about cases that make the front pages around our kitchen tables (and in social media) and have been doing so since . . . what? Billy the Kid? and right up to Casey Anthony. The reason most of us are mentioning it is to defuse the race baiters who are trying to use this to spark some kind of all-out race war (it’s not an accident that the far left is on the same page and that bounties are being offered for Zimmerman; it’s all be orchestrated). The problem, for them, is that he’s not white. If he were, we’d probably be having Rodney King-style riots right now, and not localized, either (what do you think ows is for? they’re just sitting around waiting for a reason to explode into violence). And with the WH’s and DOJ’s blessing. In short, we not only have the right but a duty to try to put a stop to the lies and potential violence.

      Until we all stop buying into the leftists’ antiAmerican and unAmerican propensity for putting us in boxes and then trying to pit us against each other, we’re not going to see anything but highly-charged race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. accusations. We are Americans first. That has to be the first step to eliminating the actual racism that you discuss (only caring about black victims when the perpetrator is white). That’s called “equal justice,” and is miles away from “social justice” in every conceivable way.

    • Quite Rightly 6:44 PM on 03/25/2012 Permalink | Reply

      Interestingly, I hear not one word of criticism for the criminals whose activities escalated the anxiety in Zimmerman’s neighborhood to the point that the people who live there concluded that they needed to band together for self-protection because, let’s face it, the available police protection wasn’t sufficient. Those criminals, it seems, are exempt from any exhortation to search one’s soul for possible contributions to a climate in which young Martin was killed.

      • fuzislippers 6:48 PM on 03/25/2012 Permalink | Reply

        Good point, QR (as always). The DOJ is already operating, allegedly (hmph), under orders to never prosecute crimes by blacks against whites, and with that kind of racist (truly racist, not RAAAACIST) policy in place, it’s little wonder that communities feel they have to police themselves.

    • signpainterguy 8:07 PM on 03/25/2012 Permalink | Reply

      Well there you have it; sliced n diced like a Ginsu knife ! The only thing I can add is Spike Lee should be arrested and prosecuted for inciting the possible murder of Zimmerman !

      Ok, Holder should also be arrested and prosecuted for dereliction of duty and malfeasance, to start, for F&F and declaring he would not do his job when it comes to prosecuting black on white violence !

    • leneice 1:49 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

      so what they showin old pictures its about what he did why he did it and what made him do it zimmerman killed tayvon becuse he was black because he LOOKED suspicious no6 because he was doing something like this dont make no sense so yeah so what if he was suspended for 10 days he was a trouble maker he was making no trouble then not smoking nothing he was walkin in the rain wit SKITTLES and ICE TEA not with weed and a gun simple as that zimmer man is a wrong unstable man just stop

      • just a conservative girl 2:39 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

        You have no idea what is going on his head any more than I do. My only point in this post is talk about how the media is handling this case. Not about the facts of the case itself. If Zimmerman were black or if Tayvon were white we would never know Tayvon’s name. That is a tragedy and it needs to be addressed.

        • fuzislippers 3:11 PM on 03/28/2012 Permalink | Reply

          And still more sadly if Zimmerman were black and Trayvon black, we’d never hear about it. Black on black crime is purposely (and purposefully) ignored.

    • Keasha 12:02 PM on 03/30/2012 Permalink | Reply

      Although the media is all we are hearing about the case, Ask yourself was it necessary for someone to die who had no weapon. Sound like to me you have your opinion as well another black male being a ganster and the white man being innocent. Only one person had a gun and only one person ended up dead!

      • just a conservative girl 1:48 PM on 03/30/2012 Permalink | Reply

        Keasha,
        It is a real shame that you have not bothered to read everything I wrote about this. That isn’t at all what I think. That kid shouldn’t be dead.

    • JaqyO85 11:24 PM on 04/07/2012 Permalink | Reply

      I feel that the only reason that race was bought into question is because of a statement made by Zimmerman to the 911 operator..“This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about,” Zimmerman told dispatchers. “These @!$%#s. They always get away.”(http://ibytes.net/florida-justice-department-and-fbi-will-review-death-of-tayvon-martin-washington-times/) Other than that race SHOULD NOT be the issue, the issue is whether or not Zimmerman can clearly justify his actions of killing this young man whether Treyvon was white, black, yellow, orange, green, blue, polka dotted, stripped or a combination of all the above. The law that Zimmerman is trying to hide behind does not apply to his action point blank period!! It was not Treyvons fault that other people do not know how to act and that they made that neighborhood be on such high alerts. My neighborhood is not a bad neighborhood by any means yet I still have a neighborhood watch. If Zimmerman did receive any injuries to his person than that should be expected. Doesn’t Treyvon have a right to fight for his life especially when a strange man comes up to him with a gun?!? Whether Zimmerman is racist or not the fact is that he killed a young man for no reason other than trying to play cop and for that he needs to be punished.
      And just to share something else..check out http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/31/2725389/myth-and-reality-of-stand-your.html where it states that:
      The “stand your ground” statute states that “a person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
      And then let me know if this case should REALLY be about racism or not.

    • Beyonca 12:04 AM on 04/15/2012 Permalink | Reply

      This is how I see it. A 17 year old youngman who just went to the store and was on his way homelost his life because a man asumed he was up to something. Police dispatch told him not to follow him. But he disobeyed and followed him anyway. If he would have obeyedthe dispatch Trayvonwould be alive today. being he persued Trayvon, I dontsee how it could be selfdefence, Trayvon didnt follow Zimmerman. Trayvon is the victom here. what would you do if someones following you? Being a Neighborhood watch doesnt give you authority to do a police officers job. A 17 youngman is gone all because of one mans thought

  • just a conservative girl 12:54 PM on 03/22/2012 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , gun laws, , , , , , zimmerman   

    The Tragedy of Trayvon Martin 

    I was just about to do a post on that poor young man that was shot murdered in Florida.  I happened to read SilverFiddle’s take on the incident and there is no way that I could say it any better:

    A Stupid Gun Owner is a Dangerous Gun Owner


    Responsible gun owners and defenders of the right to self-defense must demand the prosecution of George Zimmerman

    Police in the central Florida town of Sanford have said that 28-year-old George Zimmerman says he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in self-defense during a confrontation in a gated community. Police have described Zimmerman as white; his family says he is Hispanic and not racist. (US News)

    Neighborhood vigilante George Zimmerman murdered young Trayvon Martin.  I don’t see how a reasonable person could reach any other conclusion. News outlets are blaming Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law, but that’s just agenda reporting.

    Nothing in that law green-lights what Zimmerman did. He was flat-out wrong. Criminally wrong. You can’t just go chasing law-abiding citizens down the street at the point of a gun.

    Zimmerman told a police dispatcher that the teen was “up to no good” because he was walking through his neighborhood “just walking around, looking about” with his “hands on his waistband.”  Does the idiot have kids? That’s what teens do!

    Zimmerman chased after Martin, complaining to the dispatcher, “These a******s always get away.”


    Hell yeah!  When a gun-toting man is chasing you, you’re going to try to get away. Of course Martin’s going to run. He probably thought Zimmerman was a pedophile or some kind of crazy person. He had every right to run. He also had a right to turn around and “jump” Zimmerman “from behind” (how do you get jumped from behind by someone you’re chasing? Zimmerman is lying.)

    When someone chases you down and assaults you, you have a right to fight back. Too bad the kid didn’t end up kicking the dumb bastard’s head in.

    Critics are calling for a repeal of Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in the wake of the killing, but that is like calling for the repeal of driving automobiles every time a pedestrian gets run down.

    The perpetrator was not “standing his ground,” he was chasing down an innocent young man who was just trying to get back to his house before the second half started. If anything, had the kid killed Zimmerman, that same law would have protected him.

    This is a tragedy. It is assault with a deadly weapon and murder. And Florida’s Stand Your Ground law needs to stand.  It will protect potential victims from assaults by people like George Zimmerman. 

    The Martin family deserves justice for their son.  Mr. Zimmerman needs to be charged and tried.  Let a jury of his peers decide what his punishment will be.  The city/town of Sanford also deserve a new police chief, one that will follow the letter of the law.  This case is screaming for an arrest and he should be doing just that.

    Although, I do want make another point that Silverfiddle didn’t cover in this, the fact that media is purposely fanning the flames of racism by reporting incorrectly that Mr. Zimmerman is white.  That is not a small point when charges of racism are flying around so freely.    Mr. Zimmerman is Hispanic.  

    You should also go and read DaTech Guy’s take on this as well.  He makes some very good points too.  The numbers of black on black crime that don’t seem to generate all the outrage that this case is generating.  It is very possible that Mr. Zimmerman had some issues with race.  It is also very possible that he has some issues with aggression and anger management that had nothing at all to do with race.  I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that until more evidence is presented.  But he needs to be arrested and charged.  Let a jury decide his fate.  


    Rest in Peace Trayvon.  

     
    • signpainterguy 6:30 PM on 03/22/2012 Permalink | Reply

      No surprise the media is pushing their anti-gun agenda. Nor is it surprising the racial aspect is given prominence ! At this point, Most all I`ve read and heard has been second and third hand, well into the realm of opinion with more than a dash of bias involved, so I can`t form an honest opinion on Zimmerman`s actions.

      One thing I`m finding a little odd in this; calling a Hispanic person “white”. My local newspaper`s w/s runs a police blotter photo gallery which labels everyone`s race. They call Hispanics “white”. I always thought of Hispanics as, well, Hispanic !

      • just a conservative girl 7:10 PM on 03/22/2012 Permalink | Reply

        There are multiple classifications of Hispanic. Hispanic isn’t a race, so they broke it out. Next time you fill out some form where you asked those kind of questions look at it. I can’t remember how exactly they break it out but they do.

        • signpainterguy 11:30 PM on 03/22/2012 Permalink | Reply

          I have seen that breakout, in fact, but the police blotter makes no distinction. Without regard for extra distinguishing features such as skin color, Indian or Encan ancestery or more European – Spanish features, they are all referred to as “white”. I am just making a point, not trying to change the story`s validity. It just seems odd to me.

    • Dave Knittel 11:02 PM on 03/26/2012 Permalink | Reply

      Was Zimmerman driving a well marked security vehicle or his personal vehicle?

      • just a conservative girl 6:41 AM on 03/27/2012 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t think that has been made clear. But since this was a volunteer neighborhood thing, more than likely his own car. I doubt the kid new he was part of a neighborhood watch. Which would explain why he would be scared. If someone in a car was following me as I walking in a neighborhood I wasn’t overly familiar with I would feel threatened too.

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